Schoolboy error

[SevenSixTwo]

Amazing the number of people who use those idiotic shotguns with no buttstock

How so? Shotguns are just a tool - they just don't know how to fire them.

That lab one: the full version.

[JonC]

With music and a chap that can shoot to finish with.

[Chuck]

SevenSixTwo: how can you AIM that style of shotgun let alone control it when it fires??.......it's a silly configuration - but that's just my opinion...

In the first video they all have the wrong stance or grip for a gun like that..

[SevenSixTwo]

It's specificall designed for home defence. You're not really supposed to 'aim' it...

[Chuck]

It's specificall designed for home defence. You're not really supposed to 'aim' it...

Well we (I) would not allow anyone to train with one - liability potential is sky high with anyone using it.

Aye right, that will really work, all guns have to be aimed, it could be seen as reckless discharge of a shotgun, un-aimed shots go down really well in court. That style of gun for home defence is just litigation in waiting. Anyone using it has been watching too many movies and probably has no training whatsoever. The fact it has been chopped down will makes it harder to control not look good in court, it looks like and will be portrayed as a criminals gun.

[SevenSixTwo]

Pistol grip shotguns are also used for breaching.

Chuck, I'm not advocating them for range/target use in the UK - is that what you thought? - I'm just saying they can be fired safely and effectively, given training and correct application.

[Scotsgun]

Why do these retards feel the need to tell the world how stupid they are. In the days before Health & Safety, these dross would have quietly died off. We should never have eliminated natural selection.

[Chuck]

SevenSixTwo,

Chuck, I'm not advocating them for range/target use in the UK - is that what you thought? - I'm just saying they can be fired safely and effectively, given training and correct application.

No not at all, I am aware of the use context. Think on it, buy a normal compact shotgun, say 18" barrel, that FITS the user (too many use guns with a wayyy to long reach), learn to shoot it and it has multiple uses. Use these cut down efforts and it has limited application - IMO of course.

Remember that a LOT of people will NOT get training, they buy the gun, shove it in a cupboard or drawer and forget about it till it's needed. Can you see someone with a shorter stature, lesser grip etc. using that safely and effectively? How many people having fired one of those have then had to pick it up because they lost grip on it I wonder?.

I can just see the prosecution holding that up in court and banging on about it being a gun criminals would use. That IS a factor as there are lawyers out there who want to screw the victim who defends himself. Just ask George Zimmerman eh jenks :lol: