Your choice of defence post apocalypse?

[Chuck]

Nowt wrong with a .357magnum dougan.....shows you're thinking. Good hard hitting round.

froggy, bonjour, comment ca va? Those are good points sir.

[Scotsgun]

Salut

In regard to Scotsgun reply that handguns are a waste of time and lack punch and range, I beg to differ.

100% agree.
Official studies of casualties inflicted by light calibre in Vietnam has demonstrated that the vast majorities of killed GI had either a malfunctioning or empty primary weapon. This shows that practicing speed reload but also transition from primary to secondary weapons will probably save your skin when those zombies will be running towards you ...

As usual, complete bollox! Don't you ever get tired of spouting crap read in books?

1. I'm not American nor do I live in bloody Vietnam!
2. I never intended nor will I ever use the M16A1 and yes, I have some experience with it. That'll be real actual usage; not book knowledge.
3. The issues you're referring to was more an issue of poor training and bad maintenance - undisciplined full auto, extended burst and failing to clean and lub.
4. Lastly, what the hell does your points have to do with my statement of pistols lacking punch and range? The other bloke made a valid point concerning a pistol and calibre combination that I'm unaware of. You jumped in with your usual bollox.

Maybe a daft subject to get riled over but Walts wind me up!

[ordnance]

. Lastly, what the hell does your points have to do with my statement of pistols lacking punch and range?

I would say its the ability to hit a target at range with a pistol that would be the problem not the lack of punch and range. I wouldn't like to be hit with a 9mm at 100 or 200 meters.

[Scotsgun]

I would say its the ability to hit a target at range with a pistol that would be the problem not the lack of punch and range. I wouldn't like to be hit with a 9mm at 100 or 200 meters.

Are, you have a point there. I never did spend the time and effort to progress beyond average at best with a pistol. Perhaps the only time I found one comforting was when wandering around NI in plain clothes. Even when doing close security work and carrying a Sig, I still had close by and would reach for either a MP5 or even an old but trusty PM12.
Once watched a numpty empty a Makarov at about 25-30ft. Missed everything but one of the cars. I think we found two hits when checking later.

[Burner]

Any one of these will handle most any threat.
When one gets dirty, I will just pick up another.

[froggy]

Pistols are a waste of time. They lack range, have limited 'punch'

A) Pistols are not treated as primary weapons. To say that handguns in modern warfare are "a waste of time" is such a empty broad statement that it becomes idiotic to say the least. I am sure you'll soon tell us the entire french COS retex is wrong, or maybe that they watch too much TV, don't know what they are doing and that srely they need to welcome your enlighted wisdom.

B) As to say that pistols lack range, it clearly demonstrates that you have never tried/train handguns much beyond your nose distance. Without being an advocate of the technique, an NTTC class will teach you to engage & hit succesfully a static humanoid target at 80+ meters (glock 17). Therefore may I suggest you keep your comments to what you actually know and not what you think .

I have zero interest communicating with an individual displaying such sad rudness, especially on such a light humour post.
I leave you to your "certitudes". As far as I am concerned "Case closed" .

[Pfletch83]

Well here are my defensive items if worse should come to worse.

Long range Defense : Colt AR-15 M6700 MT

Medium range: M&P 15-22 and Mossberg 500E with slugs

Short range: Mossberg 500E .410 with buckshot and S&W Governor (.410 BUCKSHOT, .45 LC, and .45 ACP)

Foraging: Winchester 1300 20 gauge, Winchester model 1894 30-30

[450 Martini]

In case of apocalypse, i may have to resort to to a few of my "historical leftovers" i would use my ishapore 2A1 SMLE chambered in 7.62 NATO tipped with a 1907 sword bayonet, it is a classic design, well proven in a common chambering and the cleaning kit is carried on the rifle. i would also use my p08 webbing equipment, it allows the carrige of charger clips, water, bayonet, entrenching tool/hand to hand weapon. WW1 also provides a good array of hand to hand weapons, trench spikes and maces are quite effective.

Having a good firearm is one thing, but that firearm needs supplying with magazines and ammunition, the user as well needs supplying with food and water, having a good kit set up is important as a good weapon.

[rickus]

i've done a fair bit of shooting, civvy and some military stuff.

has to be a assault rifle for 25m and out further (i ilke sa80 as compact, reliable if kept cleaned and versatile). if things got tight a 10-22 would be fine.

maybe a glock or sig 9mm pistol under 25m. i think over 25m is stretching it a bit, unless you are really proficient. but the extra time aiming past 25m would be better spent with semi auto shots which would be more accurate and faster. after all you wouldn't want to be wasting rounds like you would be with long range pistol...

[Bullseye]

My choice for defense in an Apocalypse. if only UK civvy firearms or homemade ones are allowed.

Primary firearm, Bill homes home workshop open-bolt sub-machinegun, 9mm from a 32rd sten mag can fire semi & full-auto

Secondary firearm, is a short barrelled pump-action 12 bore firing .690 lead round ball or buck shot plus bird shot for zombie birds. with sling used for a zombie at close range. a section 2 shotgun with the mag crimp removed and barrels chopped or section 1 shotgun.

My pistol is a .357mag "Long barrelled revolver" but now had the barrel cut to 6 inches and that silly rod chopped off.

a small crossbow, muzzle loading pistol, knife,pipe-bombs, homemade napalm to be included. plus 800mg of potassuim cyanide tablet.