Longer distances with the Accuracy International
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Longer distances with the Accuracy International
I recently fitted a new Border barrel chambered in 6,5x47 to my Accuracy International and I may have mentioned a prototype reflex suppressor for the rifle a while ago, well that was finished, the Viking had recently filled some new Lapua brass with a reasonable load of Varget topped off with 123 grain Scenars so it was ready to go. We had booked a tunnel range for official testing on Thursday however it was going to be difficult for me to justify to myself leaving the AI at home plus finding time to actually shoot it was not proving easy so the plan was to sneak in a couple of crafty zero shots whilst the other rifles were soaking with C2R. There is also something rather satisfying to put a rifle on a true zero, by that I mean there is just not going to be any wind on a tunnel range so whatever I dialled in was going to be about as perfect as it gets.
So with three sighters down the range I gave the rifle a good soak in C2R and patched it out. Hmm... well there was some carbon but not a trace of copper. So a quick 5 shot group and I was back to the 'proper' job.
Now this may not look like a particularly good group for a 6,5x47 however this was with no load development and shot off a Versapod with no rear bag so I was secretly quite pleased with the results. Those are 25mm patches for scale.
I had swabbed the barrel with C2R again so it had quite a few hours soaking before being patched through again.
Carbon but virtually no copper... Hmm, I swapped to a new bottle of C2R and still no copper and a peer up the barrel revealed, well a very nice shiny bore but nothing else.
Time to so some proper testing.
The 123 Scenars have a huge Meplat so I decided to do some bullet pointing and compare the results back to back with the standard Meplats. I deliberately chose not to close the tips right down, instead reducing them by around 60%. Chosen venue was Barton Road for some longer distance shooting.
Starting at 800 yards to confirm drops I found the combination of rifle, suppressor and standard 123 Scenar really quite effective with a few V's on the F Class target, so far so good however Chrono speeds were slightly down on those seen at the tunnel, I assume this was down to the acoustic envelope as I was using a Steinert and the echo in the tunnel may have upset things, as might the solid concrete floor as I was only using a low tripod. No matter a quick correction to my drop data and it was off to the 1000 yard mark.
However I needed to do some sentry duty first on 'Long Sentry'. We have a public footpath that crosses the range at 100m so sentries are needed at both end, long sentry refers to the LHS and is so called because it is a longer walk, this is more than made up for by the bountiful crop of Sloes by the sentry box that are usually ready to pick from November onwards, plus I managed to meet up with a shooting friend of old for a good gossip about all things shooting and other so the hour or so passed very quickly.
Back at the 1000 yard point I dialled in the drop and shot, soon finding the V and keeping the fall of shot in the general area quite nicely. Time for the pointed Scenars. The pointing seems to give me a good 2 clicks advantage on elevation and windage, I shoot a 1/10th Mil click S&B so think along the lines of a tad under 0.7MOA improvement which impressed me. Next outing will see some further pointing experiments. One down side was I managed to piece one of the CCI magnum primers I was using.
After some discussions with the RCO we moved back to the 1200 yard point and 12,6 mils saw me nicely on target with some superb results finishing with 4 consecutive V's. Downside was the last shot dropped into the 4 ring just scraping towards the 5 at 4:00, I think I can blame that on a poor wind call.
So what did I learn? Well pointing the 123 Scenars certainly made a difference and I suspect I could push the gain to 1MOA with some development. I had two additional pierced primers at the 1200 mark however the bolt face looks good and this is always going to be a bit of a problem when shooting with an Accuracy International and I flatly refuse to bush the firing pin hole however I will drop the firing pin out in a few minutes and take a look as it has seen in excess of 10,000 rounds through it now when it was in 7,62x51/.308 guise.
Drops are not quite as I had expected and despite some superb accuracy from the rifle I do suspect the suppressor which is quite a lump has changed the harmonics slightly. On the subject of suppressors I am getting some crud blowing back from the rear so I need to add an O ring to seal things up nicely. The suppressor works superbly and was commented on by a few shooters, at one point during a lull in proceedings I discreetly dropped my Sordins off and took a shot and was delighted by what I did not hear, basically it is just a reasonably discreet hiss and that is it. Certainly the rifle can be shot without ear protection quite safely, not that I would ever suggest such an action on the firing point.
I am certainly sold on the 6,5x47 and can see it becoming a firm favourite.
Just one final thing, I shot 48 rounds today and the barrel had a good soaking with C2R upon returning home. I have just patched it out and yes there was carbon however virtually no copper, just the slightest hint of blue on one patch, in fact I have seen more copper in 5 shots on some rifles than out of this one with 60+ shots. I am impressed with this Border barrel.
So with three sighters down the range I gave the rifle a good soak in C2R and patched it out. Hmm... well there was some carbon but not a trace of copper. So a quick 5 shot group and I was back to the 'proper' job.
Now this may not look like a particularly good group for a 6,5x47 however this was with no load development and shot off a Versapod with no rear bag so I was secretly quite pleased with the results. Those are 25mm patches for scale.
I had swabbed the barrel with C2R again so it had quite a few hours soaking before being patched through again.
Carbon but virtually no copper... Hmm, I swapped to a new bottle of C2R and still no copper and a peer up the barrel revealed, well a very nice shiny bore but nothing else.
Time to so some proper testing.
The 123 Scenars have a huge Meplat so I decided to do some bullet pointing and compare the results back to back with the standard Meplats. I deliberately chose not to close the tips right down, instead reducing them by around 60%. Chosen venue was Barton Road for some longer distance shooting.
Starting at 800 yards to confirm drops I found the combination of rifle, suppressor and standard 123 Scenar really quite effective with a few V's on the F Class target, so far so good however Chrono speeds were slightly down on those seen at the tunnel, I assume this was down to the acoustic envelope as I was using a Steinert and the echo in the tunnel may have upset things, as might the solid concrete floor as I was only using a low tripod. No matter a quick correction to my drop data and it was off to the 1000 yard mark.
However I needed to do some sentry duty first on 'Long Sentry'. We have a public footpath that crosses the range at 100m so sentries are needed at both end, long sentry refers to the LHS and is so called because it is a longer walk, this is more than made up for by the bountiful crop of Sloes by the sentry box that are usually ready to pick from November onwards, plus I managed to meet up with a shooting friend of old for a good gossip about all things shooting and other so the hour or so passed very quickly.
Back at the 1000 yard point I dialled in the drop and shot, soon finding the V and keeping the fall of shot in the general area quite nicely. Time for the pointed Scenars. The pointing seems to give me a good 2 clicks advantage on elevation and windage, I shoot a 1/10th Mil click S&B so think along the lines of a tad under 0.7MOA improvement which impressed me. Next outing will see some further pointing experiments. One down side was I managed to piece one of the CCI magnum primers I was using.
After some discussions with the RCO we moved back to the 1200 yard point and 12,6 mils saw me nicely on target with some superb results finishing with 4 consecutive V's. Downside was the last shot dropped into the 4 ring just scraping towards the 5 at 4:00, I think I can blame that on a poor wind call.
So what did I learn? Well pointing the 123 Scenars certainly made a difference and I suspect I could push the gain to 1MOA with some development. I had two additional pierced primers at the 1200 mark however the bolt face looks good and this is always going to be a bit of a problem when shooting with an Accuracy International and I flatly refuse to bush the firing pin hole however I will drop the firing pin out in a few minutes and take a look as it has seen in excess of 10,000 rounds through it now when it was in 7,62x51/.308 guise.
Drops are not quite as I had expected and despite some superb accuracy from the rifle I do suspect the suppressor which is quite a lump has changed the harmonics slightly. On the subject of suppressors I am getting some crud blowing back from the rear so I need to add an O ring to seal things up nicely. The suppressor works superbly and was commented on by a few shooters, at one point during a lull in proceedings I discreetly dropped my Sordins off and took a shot and was delighted by what I did not hear, basically it is just a reasonably discreet hiss and that is it. Certainly the rifle can be shot without ear protection quite safely, not that I would ever suggest such an action on the firing point.
I am certainly sold on the 6,5x47 and can see it becoming a firm favourite.
Just one final thing, I shot 48 rounds today and the barrel had a good soaking with C2R upon returning home. I have just patched it out and yes there was carbon however virtually no copper, just the slightest hint of blue on one patch, in fact I have seen more copper in 5 shots on some rifles than out of this one with 60+ shots. I am impressed with this Border barrel.
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Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
Impressive results ! We take it that the 6.5x47 has tiny bit more ooomph! than the old 6.5x55 Swedish ?
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Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
Well it must feel great to give a successful new lease of live to an old favorite (or possibly have improved it?) tongueout
However I'm sure we were promised a picture with the suppressor on....
However I'm sure we were promised a picture with the suppressor on....
Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
I'm interested to hear the answer to this, as my instinct would think that the larger the case (with an equivalent % load) the larger the 'ooomph' (for the same bullet)...meles meles wrote:Impressive results ! We take it that the 6.5x47 has tiny bit more ooomph! than the old 6.5x55 Swedish ?
...it could be that it's easier to re-barrel to a case length that's shorter that the original (x 51) ...?
Ovenpaa; why did you go for x 47 specifically?
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Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
Good point squirrel, good point. On reflection we think it may be so that the cartridge was short enough to fit the x51 mm length of the AI action.
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Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
The x47 feeds from a .308 magazine and is a proven shooter to 1200 yards plus cheap to feed and low recoil so the Viking can shoot it. I will see if I can dig a picture out.
Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
David
I use 123g Scenars in my 260 Rem target rifle and your findings re metplat improvements are V interesting....
Your accuracy is obviously brill in any event so did you find that lesser drop was the only positive result or do you think it improved accuracy as well?
Which metplat tool do you use?
Cheers
Dave T
I use 123g Scenars in my 260 Rem target rifle and your findings re metplat improvements are V interesting....
Your accuracy is obviously brill in any event so did you find that lesser drop was the only positive result or do you think it improved accuracy as well?
Which metplat tool do you use?
Cheers
Dave T
Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
Dave, My perception is the group was pulled in slightly with the pointed meplats so not only did I see the .2mils wind and elevation advantage I also saw the group tightening slightly. I need to get out again for a dedicated 1000 yard test on a relatively still morning to confirm this however I am already confident the tipping has given a measurable improvement over standard bullets.
One thing I will add is this was my first time out at distance with the 123's as I usually shoot the 139's in a 6,5-284 and the tipping was prompted when I saw the size of the meplat on the lighter bullets as it seemed huge. There is a thread on it here http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... ar&start=0
I used one of my own tipping systems in a Redding die and will post a picture of the results when the camera is charged.
One thing I will add is this was my first time out at distance with the 123's as I usually shoot the 139's in a 6,5-284 and the tipping was prompted when I saw the size of the meplat on the lighter bullets as it seemed huge. There is a thread on it here http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... ar&start=0
I used one of my own tipping systems in a Redding die and will post a picture of the results when the camera is charged.
Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
David
I will check measures on my own batch of 123gs when I get a minute...would also be interested in a metplat former for similar experimentation.
Cheers
Dave T
I will check measures on my own batch of 123gs when I get a minute...would also be interested in a metplat former for similar experimentation.
Cheers
Dave T
Re: Longer distances with the Accuracy International
Dave, I can send you a handful of my pointed 123s when I ship your other bits back if that helps?
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