Well I almost got myself into trouble!

[Blackstuff]

What about lever action? Could really do with more 12g levers if they are allowed as 12/24

Lever action shotguns only have to conform to the 12/24 rule :shakeshout: But good look getting a decent one

[Demonic69]

I wonder why that is? The cartridge is ideally suited to tube feed, is rimmed so lifting, extraction etc is easy. Come on David :-)

[Blackstuff]

The only two i've seen have been Norinco 1887's and both were terrible. One just fell apart and the other one jammed more than Bob Marley

[Charlie Muggins]

I wonder why that is? The cartridge is ideally suited to tube feed, is rimmed so lifting, extraction etc is easy. Come on David :-)

Why not? Cos it's an awkwardly large round to handle. The win 87 doesn't even use a straight reciprocating bolt to avoid having a massive action. Other than a slight advantage under our stupid legal system lever action shotguns have few things commending them when compared with a pump, auto or double.

[Demonic69]

But surely a pump action could be converted to lever, maybe with a linkage to decrease the throw. I don't see why a lever action would be that much larger than a pump?

[saddler]

I wonder why that is? The cartridge is ideally suited to tube feed, is rimmed so lifting, extraction etc is easy. Come on David :-)

Why not? Cos it's an awkwardly large round to handle.

What is, 12-bore??

The original lever actions were 10-bore - which are ever so slightly larger than 12-bore

Seems that ANYONE selling a KSG which is Section 5 (too short a barrel on a pump action makes it S.5), on an open forum, is in need of some serious education; plus the lack of knowledge of the technicalities of what the minimum lengths are for different action types, etc. is somewhat surprising too.

[dave_303]

Winchester made some nice lever action 410s, the 9410 until around 6 years ago I believe, this one is my father's, it's restricted to 2+1, however, I believe the intention is to eventually put it on FAC and open up the magazine.
It shoots very well and the action is smooth, you must, however, be VERY firm with the action, if not it will not eject, nor will the lifter bring the next cartridge into position properly.

[Stuartph]

That winchester looks nice

[Demonic69]

Saddler, it was on GunStar, not sure if the seller had S5 or what, apparently he brought it over from the states.
It may not have even existed though

[Charlie Muggins]

I wonder why that is? The cartridge is ideally suited to tube feed, is rimmed so lifting, extraction etc is easy. Come on David :-)

Why not? Cos it's an awkwardly large round to handle.

What is, 12-bore??

The original lever actions were 10-bore - which are ever so slightly larger than 12-bore

You mean the Win 1901, which was a scaled up 1887? Sure it handles a 10-gauge round, but that's because of the quadrant breech block design, which makes the action a lot shorter than regular lever-action would be if scaled up to fit a 12-gauge -- which was my point! Look how large they had to make the 1876 rifle to fit the 45-75 (shorter than the 45-70) -- and then imagine how large it would have to be to fit 12-gauge. A 12-gauge 1886 would be a tad smaller but still huge; 12ga is an awkwardly large cartridge to handle in a repeater! That's why JMB developed the rotating quadrant action of the 1887 shotgun, which was later built larger and with better metallurgy for 10ga in the model 1901. The rotating quadrant system greatly reduces the action size and stroke length but it's less than optimal; it's awkward to load (which is why you don't really see it on the practical circuit), and is generally a bit meh. The only reason it saw the light of day was that Winchester wanted to produce a repeating shotgun and insisted on a lever-action because they were a lever-action brand. JMB already had what became the 1897 pump-action, which is better in every way. If JMB couldn't produce a more elegant lever-action 12-gauge, with the generally shorter shells of the 1880s and the resources of Winchester Repeating Arms Co behind him, I don't think anyone can.

Marlin make (or recently made) a .410 smoothbore version of their 1895 rifle btw, if people are interested in that sort of thing.