S Class shooting - a discussion

[ovenpaa]

22CF is perfect for the lighter class and I am happy to include that now, what would you suggest for minimum weight etc?

[kennyc]

I can't see why the trigger weight can't stay as is, it discourages people attempting to adjust triggers to the point that they become unsafe in the field, and takes away an advantage from those able to fine tune their triggers, I recently took part in a competition that had a higher minimum trigger pull, and didn't notice anyone blaming trigger pull for misses (wind,sun,rain,flies etc but no triggers:) )

[Mr_Logic]

But how do you plan on enforcing trigger weight and getting it exact?

I think it easier to say that the trigger should be a sporting, i.e. non-target model with a working safety and leave it at that.

Regarding the 22CF side of things, good question! My particular 223 is very light, but my 222 is not much lighter than the 243 so I think they would have to stay at the same weight. In fact if you were to compare the Remington SPS Varmint in 223 with its 308 counterpart, I expect the 223 is heavier as there is more steel left in the bore!

[ovenpaa]

Triggers are easily tested and to suggest it is kept as a sporting trigger is going to be abused as people will polish and lighten factory triggers to the level that they are incredibly light and possibly dangerous.

[M99]

@Mr_Logic

Does your CZ not have a selectable set trigger? - mine did. Choice of 2 stage or Set.

I think that .22CF should be kept for the "Predator" class, lets get the S Class running first. S Class should be as posted, a Deer legal calibre. .22CF is ONLY legal for Roe and smaller species anywhere, whereas .240 and above is legal for all UK Deer species.

Mike

[Mr_Logic]

My CZ did have the selectable set, but it's horrible IMHO, so I have taken out the set and now have a crisp, light, reliable single stage.

I don't agree about the 22CF - many people have them and not anything bigger. They are cheap to shoot, too.

I don't get why the class has to be centred around deer calibres, as they only apply in this form in England.

Also, someone winning with a 22 is doing OK as it'll be rare to see a fast-twist heavy bullet load, but plenty of 6mm, 7mm and 30 cals will have a much higher BC at a decent velocity. Therefore to be competitive you'll need a bigger gun anyway. Therefore what's the harm in allowing it, if that's what you have?

[ovenpaa]

Why exclude .223 in the initial Hunter part of S Class and stick to Deer calibres? Well the class was initially aimed at heavier full bore rifles and they had to be contained within a specific group so the Deer calibres were chosen for the simple reason that there are many such shooters in the Uk with rifles for this purpose and the whole thing about this class is to try and keep everything fair.

We all know a well set up .223 is going to be supremely accurate at 600 yards with minimal recoil unless it is a very windy day. I would not be happy to see Christel turn up with a 6Kg 22-6,5x47 wildcat trimmed to exactly 6Kgs with a 50 gram trigger putting rounds down range at exactly 3280fps every shot. She would probably never drop out of the V ring whereas the shooter next to her is shooting a 595 in .308 and working hard to hold the 5 ring.

Hardly a level playing field is it?

I am sure some cartridges are going to give significant advantage over others and I suspect a good 6,5x47 or 6,5SE will take the competition year one and of course people will do everything within their reach to adapt the rules to their advantage. What I did not want see is yet another arms race.

If you want to suggest the parameters for a second class go for it and I will add it to my document however I would like to get the draft finished fairly soon so we can get it kicked off.

[M99]

Well, I still plan to shoot it with a "free" PH 1100 - Nikon scope and Harris Bi-pod - might not win - but I wll have plenty of fun along the way.

Interestingly my T3 comes in under weight too and in 6.5x55 might get the odd outing - but I would have to keep the scope set at x12 to remain within the spirit of things.

Mike

[Mr_Logic]

Triggers are easily tested and to suggest it is kept as a sporting trigger is going to be abused as people will polish and lighten factory triggers to the level that they are incredibly light and possibly dangerous.

You say that, but certainly one club I shoot with, bearing in mind this is a postal comp potentially, nobody has kit to measure trigger pull.

Regarding equipment races, I think it's inevitable to some degree. My 243 is a Tikka with a border 1:8 twist. So If they're accurate I'll shoot the 105s or 107s, and they're going to be pretty damn good for this comp.

As I read it, it's anything deer legal currently? I think specifying this in the rules as 6mm or greater, to produce 1700 ft/lbs would be better as it removes the link to the current laws, but keeps their essence.

I also think to remove the arms race element, no choice but to limit it to a calibre and a bullet weight, or calibres and bullet weights which are equivalent.

Please note am on phone so cannot check the current draft right now...

[ovenpaa]

Does anyone else have a view on this?