Tried to order a CMMG

[BaconButty]

For f*** sake! I called Paul a few months back when my ticket came through, asking about the CMMG he was supposed to have called me and got a deposit, he never did (I'm aware that getting hold of him is an issue, it's a known quantity though so I can deal with it) and I only just called a few days ago to remind him.

So let me get this right; he is no longer offering CMMGs? It's not just that he's still waiting for CMMG to pull their fist out?

Very disappointing if so. Not with LanTac, but that I've waited so long and it's now not an option. I wonder how much he would charge to do the work on one not bought from him.

Failing that, I guess its the SGC/V22 route.

[judders]

How about a SIG 522 SWAT instead? http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductD ... -swat.aspx

[John MH]

For f*** sake! I called Paul a few months back when my ticket came through, asking about the CMMG he was supposed to have called me and got a deposit, he never did (I'm aware that getting hold of him is an issue, it's a known quantity though so I can deal with it) and I only just called a few days ago to remind him.

So let me get this right; he is no longer offering CMMGs? It's not just that he's still waiting for CMMG to pull their fist out?

Very disappointing if so. Not with LanTac, but that I've waited so long and it's now not an option. I wonder how much he would charge to do the work on one not bought from him.

Failing that, I guess its the SGC/V22 route.

Not all CMMGs require work to get them to work otherwise CMMG would be out of business, read the forums on AR15.com:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_3/15_Rimfi ... ibers.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_2/145_CMMG_Inc.html

There is lots of information on tweaks that may resolve the odd issues you might find, if you buy a CMMG in the UK and it doesn't work think hard, before tweaking it, about returning it to the RFD that sold it to you. The main issue with CMMGs is trying to get the BHOA to work reliably enough, if you don't need a BHOA don't opt for one or take it out. The new Blackdog Steel Feed Tower Magazines work well as do the EVO mags, although some people have reported problems with the EVOs I have found that new they are stiff and may benefit from some dry lube and running in.

CMMG, in my opinion provide a reasonable quality and relatively cheap product that works out of the box but may benefit, as most mass produced firearms, from a little detail polishing and finishing to remove any minor nicks and burrs.

[Tomo]

I put my deposit down for one of these last November! I got fed up waiting though so swapped my order for a TCR in June. Seems lucky I did!

[froggy]

Salut,

CMMG, in my opinion provide a reasonable quality and relatively cheap product that works out of the box

+1

The old grey mags, while relialable, rarely hold the bolt back while removing the mag, despite "a" UK seller's claim (in plain contradiction to the manufacturer). The new mag seems to do the work 90-95 % of time.

Is it actually difficult to obtain supplies from CMMG or is it Lantac focussing on pushing his way more expensived models ?
Other UK dealers sell CMMG products. They have CMMG in stock ?
They cant be worst that dealing with Lantac.

Have you tried those guys http://www.nwcustomparts.com/ar15/cmmg.html ??

[John MH]

Is it actually difficult to obtain supplies from CMMG or is it Lantac focussing on pushing his way more expensived models ?

You'd have to ask Lantac that question.

Lots of dealers supplying CMMGs now, I can think of at least 3 RFDs selling them so no exclusivity. There are also lots of alternatives available in the Mini-Rifle market so volume was never going to be on a very big scale. From the recent matches I've been to the S&W MP15-22 and Ruger 10/22 appear to be more popular but I'll be sticking to my BAR15-22, also noticed a nice JP Enterprises .22 being used by one competitor. http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.15_22LR.php

[Mike357]

There is plenty choice in the 22 AR style market. Everything from Chiappa to Lantac. It is just the same as any other market, supply and demand. If Lantac want to only sell one 22 AR at around £2k then that is their choice. Buyers will go elsewhere. It would appear that they struggled to get the CMMGs to work as they should so decided to cease supply. Other suppliers may get them to work, maybe they don't.

I popped into William Evans at Bisley on the strength of a rumour that they had a JP Enterprises 22. Thought it was strange given I perceive them as an shotgun retailer. Sure enough they had one which they were very willing to let me handle. It is an awesome piece of kit but that too is £2.5k

Personally, given all the press there is about guns malfunctioning, blowing up etc. I think it is admirable that Lantac have decided to stop selling something they aren't happy with. Whether they introduce an expensive replacement remains to be seen. But so what if they do? It will either sell because it is well engineered or it will die on it's arse because of the price.

[John MH]

If CMMGs didn't work they wouldn't sell in the USA, its not really a case that the retailer should have to do work themselves to get them be reliable. Of the CMMG products I’ve had direct from CMMG all have worked as advertised, some have been improved with careful adjustment and none have been so bad as to be deemed useless.

The main problem is that if something requires return to the manufacturer it’s just too complicated with non-UK manufactured products unless you are a large wholesaler whose account is of sufficient worth to both the manufacturer and wholesaler to put in place a no quibble exchange or refund policy.

Small scale importers appear generally unwilling to provide such support as, if a defective product cannot be returned to the manufacture, it is tying up capital that they cannot afford to have sat on a shelf. Many start off with the best of intentions but may come to a point after a period of time where the simple economics make it no longer worthwhile supplying or supporting a problematical product. A wholesaler may well have the capacity and infrastructure in place to absorb, write off or defer the costs back to the manufacturer, something that goes along with the claim to be the ‘Official Importer’. Another issue is that a lot of shooters like to tinker and in a lot of cases the retailers first response is that “it was working when it was sold and if it’s not working now it’s because you’ve broken it”. Plenty of examples on the forum of that happening.

[froggy]

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It would appear that they struggled to get the CMMGs to work

Really ??

I bought a new CMMG and the front sight was canted... Once rectified, I have put many many 1,000's of rounds through it, intentionally didn't clean it and the gun worked well. Very well indeed. As mentioned above, the only issue was the old grey mag that did not action the BHOA correctly letting the bolt going forward when removing the mag . With the new black mag the bolt remains open 90/95% of time, enabling the bolt closure with the "ping-pong paddle" instead of the charging handle.

The only thing that can be improve IMV is probably the stock . The orriginal, as on the military mdl is ok but not fantastic. A magpul PTS will set you back £ 30 and will take less than 5 mns to change. There is no need to get a retailer to charge you £ 100 + to fit it for you .

Now, I don't see what there is to struggle with to get the CMMG work or what further modifications would be needed. At the end of the day those AR style 22lr are not supposed to be match rifles either and CMMGs as a drilling or plinking gun do the job perfectly as they are.


If it ain't broken, dont fix it ...

[Sim G]

£2.5K is a phenominal amout of money for a rimfire AR, such as the JP, particularly if you're a club shooter who honestly won't go anyehere near a comp. On the other hand, if you want the best, whether you've decided that "best" is JP, Lantac or BAR, it's personal.

For me, my comp days are over. Work and family commitments would never allow the travelling that needs to be done or the time for training. On that basis, my "Tacticool" AR will never see outside my club ranges and I'm happy with that. But that doesn't stop me from recognising that it is more than "match accurate" and stoppages are so rare, I actually can't remember having one, unlike my Volquartson 10/22...

But, back to my original point. There are a lot of us that wouldn't have baulked at that £2.5K price tag 16 years ago, for a tricked up IPSC gun. I paid that for a bare gun in 1994, with scope, mags, mount, leather and spares being another grand!

£2.5K could actually be quite "cheap" now, when compared....