The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010.

Blackstuff wrote:Very interesting! Doing this would make things a whole lot easier! For example, i was offered a free internals upgrade of my VZ58 if i sent it to CCA then pick it up at The Phoenix, but as i wasn't going i couldn't do it, but friends were. Had i know about this i could have potentially got the rifle added to the ir certificate and they could've picked it up for me?

Nah, I'm really not sure if that can be done. Pre-1988 walking into a gunshop with someone's ticket and picking up repaired guns or ammo was generally not an issue. The Ammendment Acts and "face to face" requirements prevented this as well as mail order...

My mates mum walked into Bagnall & Kirkwoods in the early 80s with my mates FAC and bought him a S&W model 28 in .357mag, with a couple of boxes of ammo, for his birthday, the. Took it home on the bus, wrapped them and gave them to him the following day for his birthday!!!

Life really was far less complicated 30 years ago...

Sim G wrote:In that case, you fill out his cert in the usual way with "lent" and both parties inform the police. When he returns the shotgun to you, he informs that it has been disposed of to you and you inform the police how have acquired. He then sends his SGC in to have it removed. You don't have to do anything with you certificate as the gun will already be entered on it and will remain so.

excellent, thank you all

with a bit of luck, he'll wind up buying it off me, as I only want £125 for it anyway, But might as well let him play with it first.

bradaz11 wrote:

Sim G wrote:In that case, you fill out his cert in the usual way with "lent" and both parties inform the police. When he returns the shotgun to you, he informs that it has been disposed of to you and you inform the police how have acquired. He then sends his SGC in to have it removed. You don't have to do anything with you certificate as the gun will already be entered on it and will remain so.

excellent, thank you all

with a bit of luck, he'll wind up buying it off me, as I only want £125 for it anyway, But might as well let him play with it first.

Not quite, when it is returned he can let the police know he hasn't got it any more but you already have permission to possess so you don't need to inform anyone.

And if you leave it on the other SGC you and your mate can borrow/use it at any time for more than 72hrs without any further notification required.

Sim G wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:Very interesting! Doing this would make things a whole lot easier! For example, i was offered a free internals upgrade of my VZ58 if i sent it to CCA then pick it up at The Phoenix, but as i wasn't going i couldn't do it, but friends were. Had i know about this i could have potentially got the rifle added to the ir certificate and they could've picked it up for me?

Nah, I'm really not sure if that can be done.

Can be done but with FAC it is a whole lot less simple, and probably bet advised not to try.
Assuming your mate has the required slot he could acquire it, and then when he gets home you could acquire it off him (as long as the dealer didn't mind giving it to this person, etc). This would involve much paperwork and if it goes on too many times someone will complain about all the time wasted updating the system.

But if you both want access to the same rifle then it wouldn't matter who actually picked it up from the Phoenix, it'd just need to be signed on to the second FAC by whoever picked it up.

Mattnall wrote:

Sim G wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:Very interesting! Doing this would make things a whole lot easier! For example, i was offered a free internals upgrade of my VZ58 if i sent it to CCA then pick it up at The Phoenix, but as i wasn't going i couldn't do it, but friends were. Had i know about this i could have potentially got the rifle added to the ir certificate and they could've picked it up for me?

Nah, I'm really not sure if that can be done.

Can be done but with FAC it is a whole lot less simple, and probably bet advised not to try.
Assuming your mate has the required slot he could acquire it, and then when he gets home you could acquire it off him (as long as the dealer didn't mind giving it to this person, etc). This would involve much paperwork and if it goes on too many times someone will complain about all the time wasted updating the system.

But if you both want access to the same rifle then it wouldn't matter who actually picked it up from the Phoenix, it'd just need to be signed on to the second FAC by whoever picked it up.

Remember that the part I've bolded above would require an open slot for that calibre (ie. he'd need an open slot for it, you'd do the transfer across, then have to apply for a 1 for 1 variation on your ticket before he could transfer it back to you).

There are some guidelines for someone acting as an agent just to transport a firearm, worth looking into for S1 I think

Mattnall wrote: Not quite, when it is returned he can let the police know he hasn't got it any more but you already have permission to possess so you don't need to inform anyone.

And if you leave it on the other SGC you and your mate can borrow/use it at any time for more than 72hrs without any further notification required.

I disagree. Anything over lending a shotgun for 72 hours is a transfer. All transfer requirements then apply. "Shared" guns, as with spouses or partners, is not what was alluded to in the OP.

to clarify, No, it is not to be a shared gun. I don't want it anymore, he is interested. I am going to lend it to him so he can take it home, try it out, see if it's any good. If he likes it, he will buy it. If he doesn't, then it will come back to me, and I'll have to post it on here and generally try to sell it.

I'm just making sure I am doing what is needed, and is all within the law.

Sim G wrote:

Mattnall wrote: Not quite, when it is returned he can let the police know he hasn't got it any more but you already have permission to possess so you don't need to inform anyone.

And if you leave it on the other SGC you and your mate can borrow/use it at any time for more than 72hrs without any further notification required.

I disagree. Anything over lending a shotgun for 72 hours is a transfer. All transfer requirements then apply. "Shared" guns, as with spouses or partners, is not what was alluded to in the OP.

Yes, initially that would be a transfer and, OP aside, once it is on both certificates either one can then then take the shotgun with them whenever they like, that would not be a transfer, that would just be exercising your right as SGC holder.
As far as the OP goes, once it is given back only the borrower will need to inform the police that he has done so. It is not transferred back and Bradaz will just be handling his shotgun, which he has listed on his SGC.

The shotguns I have on my SGC that are on more than one SGC, don't regularly stay in my cabinet, or even my home. They mostly reside in another part of the county and one at least is on more than one SGC. This is not the partners/spouse shared thing, it is more a joint possession thing.