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Sixshot6 wrote:I know, but just think of it Saddler. A Turkish company has made fools of the shotgun section in the 1988 act. Its comical when you think of it.

It seems the majority of your posts concern new firearms built to get around UK restrictions. You are starting to sound obsessed about it.

Your recent thread was on a short barrelled shotgun. Tell me, which comp in UK would a short barrel be better ?

And why would an underler be an improvement on a semi or pump apart from allowing a short barrel ?

As to the US guy being too busy to reply - i suppose that is one reason he might have not replied............

breacher wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:I know, but just think of it Saddler. A Turkish company has made fools of the shotgun section in the 1988 act. Its comical when you think of it.

It seems the majority of your posts concern new firearms built to get around UK restrictions. You are starting to sound obsessed about it.

Your recent thread was on a short barrelled shotgun. Tell me, which comp in UK would a short barrel be better ?

And why would an underler be an improvement on a semi or pump apart from allowing a short barrel ?

As to the US guy being too busy to reply - i suppose that is one reason he might have not replied............

Hmm, good question. Sorry If I came off like that. Not sure which comp would be better. To be fair, I'd prefer the pump or semi every time (not a detachable mag one though, too much trouble from what I hear).

And you're right on that, but to be fair on the forum that he's a member of that I talk to him on, he's talked about it to others besides me. Like I said, this thing we call work gets in the way.

Once again sorry if I sounded like I was obsessed with getting round uk laws. To be fair I'm just interested in getting more stuff in. Wouldn't mind giving the 22 wmr kel tec a try (only if it was uk legal, I won't go around the oal length law). I just seem to have gotten into things at a good time. Anyway thanks for the criticism, much appreciated.

In theory an underlever could be as fast to operate as a pump.

Having a shorter barrel means faster handling and less cumbersomer to get around obstacles (and lighter for slight-framed/lady shooters). Anything longer than 16-18" (depending on cartridge load) on a shotgun barrel is a waste of space, it adds nothing the the ballistics of the shot/slug. (Longer barrels can aid with swing for clay shooting but this gun is hardly designed for that).

Therefore a lever gun, if as fast to operate as a pump, but with a shortened barrel would offer a significant advantage for disciplines like practical shotgun.

Get it in open class with an xrail on it

I like the look of that.

I think fugly is in the eye of the beholder, and most semi's - be they RF, CF or shottie - look pretty much the same to me. I like the underlever action. Whether it will be reliable or not remains to be seen, but I can see that getting more than a few passing glances from the PSG people.

£400! I'd have one. Where's Chuck?
Seems it's already selling well in Australia, and upsetting the Antis
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/conse ... hwefx.html

"new technology lever action " I know Australia is a relatively young country but lever action firearms have been around for quite a while now :)

phaedra1106 wrote:"new technology lever action " I know Australia is a relatively young country but lever action firearms have been around for quite a while now :)

Its a new Lever action shottie. Fun historical fact, although the first repeating shottie was a lever action J M Browning actually told Winchester a pump would be better. However they wanted lever action for brand recognition so he designed it. Later on the 1892 pump action came. An attempt at a new lever action 12 bore came with the Kessler Levermatic (their designs and patents were sold to marlin, thus the marlin levermatics of the 60's).

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/9003128

I have a spare slot, if they were cheap enough I'd like to try one in Standard Manual class. As much as I enjoy a good pump, I'd be just as happy flicking it forward just as fast as I could.

Sixshot6 wrote:
To be fair, I'd prefer the pump or semi every time (not a detachable mag one though, too much trouble from what I hear).

You haven't heard much about the Vepr12 then?.