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rcaudwell wrote:3D printing is the bigger issue surely? Within 5yrs anyone will be able to download the plans from the web and use home printer to make themselves a plastic, but functioning handgun. Really can't see what can be done prevent it either?

That's already been done, 2 years ago - see the "DefCAD Liberator", yes it's cr4p, 22lr - but it's 3d printed and shoots.

To prevent it - well, the law is already in place - but then criminals don't follow the law........so should we ban 3d printers and CNC mills (I can't beleive the law commission is even looking at that) of course not.

There's a firm in the states printed a 1911 using a laser and metal powder - now that's the future!:

https://www.stratasysdirect.com/newsroo ... -concepts/

rcaudwell wrote:3D printing is the bigger issue surely? Within 5yrs anyone will be able to download the plans from the web and use home printer to make themselves a plastic, but functioning handgun. Really can't see what can be done prevent it either?

Dear oh dear, how sad it is when shooters subscribe to the anti gun scare mantra's.

3D printing is a tool just like a lathe or a file or a drill all of which can be used to make firearms. The fact is it is illegal to make firearms in this country without the proper authority regardless of the means of manufacture. To separate out one production method over another is divisive anti gun ownership thinking and as about as helpful to our case as shooting disciplines and vested interest "national" bodies.

dromia wrote: 3D printing is a tool just like a lathe or a file or a drill all of which can be used to make firearms. The fact is it is illegal to make firearms in this country without the proper authority regardless of the means of manufacture. To separate out one production method over another is divisive anti gun ownership thinking and as about as helpful to our case as shooting disciplines and vested interest "national" bodies.

The same can be said about Tor and the personal use of encryption. They are just tools for those who wish to retain some privacy. But because they can be used by crims they get vilified by government (who wants to see them banned). And as evidenced by some earlier posts on this thread the propaganda against them seems to be working.

aaarggh

the running man wrote:
The hand gun ban was brought in to.ensure no licenced handgun holder could use pistol again on a shooting spree, nothing to do with criminals, or armed robbery by them.....as a rule criminals only usually just kill specific targets or each other with sometimes an innocent party getting caught up in it, when was the last time a criminal obtained a gun and went on a mass shooting?

While that may have been the original goal of the Snowdrop campaign, by the time the legislation was written "taking guns off the street" was virtually the tag line of the campaign and sanctimonious politicians made regular claims about it once the law was passed.

I don't remember any of that "guns off the street buisness"
All I remember was a lot of upset people...

Blackstuff wrote:

the running man wrote:
The hand gun ban was brought in to.ensure no licenced handgun holder could use pistol again on a shooting spree, nothing to do with criminals, or armed robbery by them.....as a rule criminals only usually just kill specific targets or each other with sometimes an innocent party getting caught up in it, when was the last time a criminal obtained a gun and went on a mass shooting?

While that may have been the original goal of the Snowdrop campaign, by the time the legislation was written "taking guns off the street" was virtually the tag line of the campaign and sanctimonious politicians made regular claims about it once the law was passed.

This. Gun/Weapon policy was set in 1972 and has been pushed every chance that its supporters get. See the Violent Crime Reduction Act which apparently reduced violent crime by making toy guns have to be painted blue (and fufilling the McKay desire to restrict imitation firearms).

daman wrote:
The same can be said about Tor and the personal use of encryption. They are just tools for those who wish to retain some privacy. But because they can be used by crims they get vilified by government (who wants to see them banned). And as evidenced by some earlier posts on this thread the propaganda against them seems to be working.

aaarggh

Agree mate.

Folks on here should know better. It makes no sense to claim the hand gun ban only affected law abiding people, but a 'software ban' is justified 'cos only criminals use it.

Our government are busy enacting some of the most intrusive surveillance powers in the western world. Only repressive regimes like China & Russia have similar legal state powers. If you think you are 'safe' looking at Gun porn...think again, you will be on their radar, your browsing history will be logged and kept just in case they need to justify labelling you as a 'gun-nut-job'.

Of course they can watch you using the TOR network if they really need to...no protocol is 100% secure, it just makes it harder for obervers to do casual mass snooping..thats why they dont like it.