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Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:05 am
by Rockhopper
It sounds to me like they had concerns and wanted to visit first to avoid wasting time in processing your application further.
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:30 am
by Pippin89
It definitely sounds like they are "finding" things to pick holes in. Just remember to keep calm and stay the course. You have done the right thing getting advice from BASC. Wait for the next communication from them and go from there. Just keep a record of EVERYTHING. And definitely never tell anyone where your keys are.
When my FEO asked about where my spare keys are kept I said they were hidden in a key safe somewhere you would need power tools to get to them.
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:54 am
by Mattnall
Who certified your home range?
Just playing devil's advocate, the walk to the car could be any length, it is the area it is in and who can see. If you live in the middle of nowhere it won't matter but if you live on a rough estate with burning cars on every street corner it's a different matter. I'm guessing the latter is not the case as you have a home range.
Read up on the Guidance. My advice is to keep everything written down, keep BASC informed and just be as accommodating as possible with the FEO and if they go against Guidance ask the reasoning behind moving away from it.
In the end you can always vary the FAC or even appeal if it wasn't granted, unfortunately the law gives the local firearms department and the Chief Constable great sway in interpreting the law and applying their own measures 'in interest of safety' when it comes to firearms licensing.
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:07 am
by snayperskaya
Mattnall wrote:Who certified your home range?
Just playing devil's advocate, the walk to the car could be any length, it is the area it is in and who can see. If you live in the middle of nowhere it won't matter but if you live on a rough estate with burning cars on every street corner it's a different matter. I'm guessing the latter is not the case as you have a home range.
Read up on the Guidance. My advice is to keep everything written down, keep BASC informed and just be as accommodating as possible with the FEO and if they go against Guidance ask the reasoning behind moving away from it.
In the end you can always vary the FAC or even appeal if it wasn't granted, unfortunately the law gives the local firearms department and the Chief Constable great sway in interpreting the law and applying their own measures 'in interest of safety' when it comes to firearms licensing.
I could be wrong but I think by "home range" he means his home club range......not a range at his home
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:43 am
by andy1979
snayperskaya wrote:Mattnall wrote:Who certified your home range?
Just playing devil's advocate, the walk to the car could be any length, it is the area it is in and who can see. If you live in the middle of nowhere it won't matter but if you live on a rough estate with burning cars on every street corner it's a different matter. I'm guessing the latter is not the case as you have a home range.
Read up on the Guidance. My advice is to keep everything written down, keep BASC informed and just be as accommodating as possible with the FEO and if they go against Guidance ask the reasoning behind moving away from it.
In the end you can always vary the FAC or even appeal if it wasn't granted, unfortunately the law gives the local firearms department and the Chief Constable great sway in interpreting the law and applying their own measures 'in interest of safety' when it comes to firearms licensing.
I could be wrong but I think by "home range" he means his home club range......not a range at his home
Yeah my club range
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:50 am
by Mattnall
Ah, makes more sense, and obvious really when you think of it. In my defence: it was early and I hadn't had my coffee yet.
In which case if you are a member and they are NRA affiliated you can go to Bisley and shoot most calibres you want.
It's probably not a certified range but a HO approved club, no one certifies ranges any more (unless it is a military/RFCA range).
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:22 am
by andy1979
Mattnall wrote:Ah, makes more sense, and obvious really when you think of it. In my defence: it was early and I hadn't had my coffee yet.
In which case if you are a member and they are NRA affiliated you can go to Bisley and shoot most calibres you want.
It's probably not a certified range but a HO approved club, no one certifies ranges any more (unless it is a military/RFCA range).
Yeah it is a home office approved club and the range can take every calibre I had applied for with exception to the .223 which i had planned to shoot on a day ticket basis at a Minsterley ranges.
I've spoken with a specialist firearms solicitor at Irwin Mitchell this morning to get a better understanding of where i'm heading with this.
The key security was confirmed as current advice in the firearms security handbook 2019.
Home security there is no requirement for a monitored alarm unless number of firearms, risk of burglary, and home physical security etc. deem a risk assessment be carried out but that risk assessment should be shared with me explaining the process.
The historic medical conditions have been confirmed as of no concern by a medical professional who has access to my full records while the police can request another report. current guidance directs chief constables to accept current medical opinion.
The arrest didn't result in a conviction as no evidence was offered in court, while it can be obviously be used during the assessment process on appeal a court will weigh the evidence less as it has not been cross examined in a court of law.
I'm have security clearances for Prison's, airports including aircraft and flight decks and i hold counter terrorism clearance so the police attitude is a little puzzling.
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:28 am
by RDC
Mattnall wrote:
In which case if you are a member and they are NRA affiliated you can go to Bisley and shoot most calibres you want.
Only if the club books the range as a club booking. Only individual NRA members can book lanes themselves, if I recall correctly.
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:31 pm
by Pippin89
Mattnall wrote:Ah, makes more sense, and obvious really when you think of it. In my defence: it was early and I hadn't had my coffee yet.
I read it the same way! Possibly just the natural jealousy that comes as we all bloody want one!!!
Re: Where in the application process is the FEO visit.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:30 pm
by Mattnall
RDC wrote:Mattnall wrote:
In which case if you are a member and they are NRA affiliated you can go to Bisley and shoot most calibres you want.
Only if the club books the range as a club booking. Only individual NRA members can book lanes themselves, if I recall correctly.
That's immaterial.
It gives good reason and suitable place for larger calibres than the OP's club can cater for, and he can easily have access to it.