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Cheers , I was between these and the smk's but consensus from reading up seemed to be smk may have just a little edge on them but I think at my level not much difference for me :-)

Just as an aside u had any experience with retumbo or reloader 25 ? Most of the info I seemed to be able to get indicated these as a regular fodder for 7mm rum loads , having said that most of the available data I can find has a more USA based source to it ?

I shoot a 7mm SAUM wildcat so not in the same express engine are as the RUM and I use N560 for it. As far as 7mm's go I have shot a few including the 174SMK and Berger Hybrids, Targets and VLD's and there is only one that I like, the Berger 180 Hybrid, this is a target bullet however Berger do some hunting bullets as well.

Thanks for the advice , let u know how I get on . Cheers Ian