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Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:55 pm
by ovenpaa
Sim G wrote:Loads of nitro muzzle loading around now. Obviously, most are converted from blackpowder and use shotgun primers for ignition. Westlake made a couple of propriatory models and even converts a long barrel Taurus to a five inch barrelled, double action, "muzzle loading" .357 revolver! There was also the "Patriot". A UIT style, .32 cal target pistol that uses nitro.
I know of the Patriot pistol in fact I shoot long range with the the chap who designed it. Sadly it is rarer than a rare thing these days.
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:08 pm
by Sandgroper
Sim G wrote:Sandgroper wrote: Looking forward to seeing how it shoots - just need to get some 32 S&W Long loads researched.
For a while, I played with .32 S&W Long in my Marlin lever gun, in "uber-rare" .32 magnum. The best two powders I found in the Long were Hodgdons Tightgroup and Alliant Green Dot.
What bullets does it recommend, Grant? Ball, any, wad-cutters? Pure lead or alloy? I have some lovely RNFPFMJ if you want some sending up....... but allegedly the postman wouldn't get to you as it's snowing!! (Just heard from my mate on his way home to Thurso from Inverness!!)
I really don't know what is recommended. I have some 36 cal ball to try out, after that I'm at a loss. Titegroup is one of my favourite powders, I always have some handy! I was thinking of trying some trail boss loads, but I'm concerned the density will be too great for the 'chamber' of the pistol.
The lowest bullet weight I can find is 83 grains but the 36 cal ball is 65 grains, which is intriguing.
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:15 pm
by ovenpaa
Sandgroper, do you have the chamber dimensions?
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:32 pm
by Sandgroper
ovenpaa wrote:Sandgroper, do you have the chamber dimensions?
No, but at a rough guess it appears to have a volume of about 2400 mm3!
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:19 pm
by ovenpaa
Sandgroper wrote:No, but at a rough guess it appears to have a volume of about 2400 mm3!
Ah yes, I suppose it would have
I was trying to get something working with QuickLoad and was looking at 7 grains of Trailboss as a working example.
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:32 pm
by Sandgroper
ovenpaa wrote:Sandgroper wrote:No, but at a rough guess it appears to have a volume of about 2400 mm3!
Ah yes, I suppose it would have
I was trying to get something working with QuickLoad and was looking at 7 grains of Trailboss as a working example.
:lol:
The volume is based on some very rough measurements with a cleaning rod! :shock:
7 grains would be way too much! IMR suggests 2 grains as a max load with 90 grain bullet. My concern with trail boss is that the pistol is designed around 'normal' pistol powders with a lower density.
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:41 pm
by ovenpaa
The odd thing is it would not let me go lower than 4 grains, looks like QL is not sorted for muzzle loaders with modern powders and balls....
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:04 pm
by Mike357
A forum member on here is having just Taurus LBR converted by Alan Westlake in the next few.months. I can't wait to see it as I'm tempted, especially as Tayside are happy with an extra cylinder.
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:45 pm
by Sim G
ovenpaa wrote: I know of the Patriot pistol in fact I shoot long range with the the chap who designed it. Sadly it is rarer than a rare thing these days.
Oooh, really? He wouldn't have a load block lying around would he? A friend of mine has one and has somehow damaged this block which resulted in him cutting one of the end chambers off. It's now a 5 shot......
Re: 'New' pistol.
Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:52 pm
by Sim G
Sandgroper wrote:
I really don't know what is recommended. I have some 36 cal ball to try out, after that I'm at a loss. Titegroup is one of my favourite powders, I always have some handy! I was thinking of trying some trail boss loads, but I'm concerned the density will be too great for the 'chamber' of the pistol.
The lowest bullet weight I can find is 83 grains but the 36 cal ball is 65 grains, which is intriguing.
Been having a think about this. Slug the bore. When done, I reckon it's going to be about .313. If that's the case, get a full wad cutter, hollow base mould and cast them from pure lead and load according to the data......
This is an educated guess on what I know of how Westlake recommends the loading of the .357 Taurus muzzle loader. Standard .36 cal round ball (.373 to .375) may just be a tad on the large side!