Ideas needed ASAP

[ovenpaa]

The zero range is great for TR shooters which it was primarily designed for, however the issue targets are of no practical use to an FTR or F Open shooter so either you make your own with some math behind it to confirm drops at your chosen range or you use it for confirming wind zero only.

The other problem I have is I cannot focus two of the 'scoped rifles in this house at the required 77' and 7" or whatever it is so I cannot use zero range to effectively zero them.

[dodgyrog]

I can understand why they dont re load making and selling re loaded ammo could lead to all sorts of problems if they got it wrong.

Quality assurance???
Anything is possible if you put your mind to it.

[Chapuis]

Something that regularly crops up on another website that I frequent are enquiries from sporting shooters looking for somewhere in the south east to zero their sporting rifles. Other website members often very generously offer the use of their own zeroing “ranges” or direct the person to a club that may be able to help them out, and occasionally direct them to commercial ranges that charge in the region of £10 - £15 per hour. The general perception being that it is far too complex to consider using Bisley as there are too any hoops to jump through first. I wonder if there is any way that Bisley could easily accommodate such requests and if operating a zeroing facility for sporting rifles under controlled conditions would be profitable to the NRA and beneficial to shooting in general.

Such an operation could possibly be run by appointment only using a 100 or 200 yard range perhaps baffled or even a tube range????

What about the, er, "Zero Range" that exists at Bisley specifically for zeroing? Is there some sort of impediment to people using that? As far as I recall it is as cheap as chips!

Zero range is not at all suitable for the task of zeroing in a scoped sporting rifle.

[JonC]

Something that regularly crops up on another website that I frequent are enquiries from sporting shooters looking for somewhere in the south east to zero their sporting rifles. Other website members often very generously offer the use of their own zeroing “ranges” or direct the person to a club that may be able to help them out, and occasionally direct them to commercial ranges that charge in the region of £10 - £15 per hour. The general perception being that it is far too complex to consider using Bisley as there are too any hoops to jump through first. I wonder if there is any way that Bisley could easily accommodate such requests and if operating a zeroing facility for sporting rifles under controlled conditions would be profitable to the NRA and beneficial to shooting in general.

Such an operation could possibly be run by appointment only using a 100 or 200 yard range perhaps baffled or even a tube range????

The problem is always going to be the restrictions put on shooting on military land. The MOD insist on range safety certificates if your shooting on ranges owned by them, Bisley is one such range. This isnt something put in place by the NRA to p*** people off, its been forced on them. I think that BASC can book targets for its members, but I believe that they will still need a range safety certificate (or whatever its called). maybe somebody more in the know can confirm this. Obviously everybody would love some kind of covered fire point 100m zeroing range, I also believe that NRA could make some money if they did this.

[Chapuis]

That is why I have suggested the use of baffles or a tube range, so that effectively there will be no or only a limited danger area.

[John25]

Greetings from a wet and cold( well it's down to twelve degrees) Malta.

I have just read through this toipc which was not meant to be Bisley bashing but obviously either I or others didn't read that bit properly!

There are also some very good ideas, you all, as members, have a Rep. On General Council; if he or she is not doing what you( the voter) wants them to do, it is down to you to get them in line.

I am a GC member until I get thrown out and yet only one - one, member has ever asked me to do something for them.

Let he who cast the first stone.

Love, light and peace.

[IainWR]

Zeroing

The Zero range is available.

Short Siberia - 100 and 200 yds - is available

BSRC have a specific facility for zeroing Big Game rifles at 100 yds

Quite often Century is available by the hour at 300 yards

I have zeroed a rifle by boresighting at 600 yards and achieved a TR bull with the first shot

It's all there

You just have to be a Member to use it at really quite modest fees. Why should I pay my subs and very expensive rent on my site on Bisley camp, for which rent the NRA does very little (ie its near pure profit), so anyone can walk in and use the facility for the daily fee? Golf clubs don't allow it - why do people expect the NRA to be different?


Caravans

People use caravans to stay at Bisley. They pay lots of money in rent and solve one of Bisley's biggest problems - lack of accommodation. How many organisations are lucky enough to have members that pay to fix their problems? And someone wants them pushed off because some of the vans are a bit scruffy. Try getting to know an owner or two and you might find yourself with access to a comfortable base on Bisley for not a lot of money. And there is turnover in sites. If you want to improve the caravan stock, bid for a site, then put your own £10k of pretty van on top.


Iain

[Chapuis]

Zeroing

The Zero range is available.

Short Siberia - 100 and 200 yds - is available

BSRC have a specific facility for zeroing Big Game rifles at 100 yds

Quite often Century is available by the hour at 300 yards

I have zeroed a rifle by boresighting at 600 yards and achieved a TR bull with the first shot

It's all there

You just have to be a Member to use it at really quite modest fees. Why should I pay my subs and very expensive rent on my site on Bisley camp, for which rent the NRA does very little (ie its near pure profit), so anyone can walk in and use the facility for the daily fee? Golf clubs don't allow it - why do people expect the NRA to be different?


Caravans

People use caravans to stay at Bisley. They pay lots of money in rent and solve one of Bisley's biggest problems - lack of accommodation. How many organisations are lucky enough to have members that pay to fix their problems? And someone wants them pushed off because some of the vans are a bit scruffy. Try getting to know an owner or two and you might find yourself with access to a comfortable base on Bisley for not a lot of money. And there is turnover in sites. If you want to improve the caravan stock, bid for a site, then put your own £10k of pretty van on top.


Iain

I think you have really missed the point Iain and with that sort of closed mentality I am afraid that the cause will be lost. In my experience golf clubs do accept guests to play for the day. What we are talking about are sporting shooters not target riflemen. At my rifle club we are only to happy to accept guests who wish to sight in their rifles for a small fee. Think of it this way, you have bought a new scope and mounted it on your rifle. You have a stalking trip arranged for the end of the week and its your rest days (mid-week), after all some people work shifts or week-ends. You just want somewhere to zero your rifle for an hour or so. Zero range is no use at it only goes back 30 yards or so. The BSRC range is only normally open on weekends unless by special arrangement, and there are all sorts of hurdles to jump in order to shoot on short Siberia. Frankly the NRA doesn't look too inviting then does it.

I am very fond of Bisley but I only visit once or twice a year on average. To me it's a living museum full of history and character. Unfortunately in the past the NRA have made some absolutely dreadful decisions that have alienated a good proportion of the shooting community. In recent years I have percieved a much friendlier and helpful atmosphere but I fear unless we all start thinking more positively and acting together it will be lost to the nation and not just the home counties. The time has obviously come to change or die.

[JonC]

What we are talking about are sporting shooters not target riflemen.

If they are members of BASC they can shoot at Bisley without joining another club or the NRA. Problem is the range safety cards, its an MOD requirement. Looks like its going to cost £50 to get the assessment and a card from BASC (on top of BASC membership)

[Alpha1]

I have never been to Bisley I have no intention of ever going to Bisley I dont care how nice the place is.
I live in the North East of England I love the area I want to shoot in the North East of England you are not listening to me. So why should I join the NRA. Your North East rep visited the forum and has not been seen or heard of since and by the way he does not get my support dont know were you got the guy from but he is a joke.

YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME I DONT GIVE A TOSS ABOUT BISLEY.