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yup, hang a bag of sugar from the trigger, if it fires its out ! really if you start worrying about people cheating on the postal comp you had might as well give up on it! if someone wants to cheat you can't stop him, but onsite checking has got to be just about the easiest thing to enforce, along with overall weight and magnification

ovenpaa wrote:Does anyone else have a view on this?

You know my thoughts regarding the Deer Legal aspect - leave the regional aspect as it is. These regional differences within the UK, I think will make it potentially more interesting and it still allows for an international flavour, if it grows that far.

IMO weight, barrel length, scope magnification are more important in the long run regarding restricting the arms race potential, rather than cartridges and bullet weight. In any case it will take time to bed in and in the natural flow of the competition some cartridge and rifle combinations will be preferred.

Also remember, the first year will be fairly relaxed in any case but I think the document Ovenpaa has produced is a good starting point. Lets run with it and see where it leads!

How do you run a postal comp throughout the UK with different rules?

What do you gain by having bizarre regional variations? I get the goal - to get everyone using a 243 or bigger, same as for deer - but why not just say a 240 or bigger, with ME of 1700 ft/lbs?

Is it desirable to say that in Scotland a 243 user effectively must have an 8 twist barrel (because it's > than 100 gr up there, and you can't use SP or HP for target work, which leaves 105gr), but in England you can shoot a 95 HPBT as the deer law is not bullet specific?

Surely it is easier all round simply to choose one and standardise? I say go for England as it is more Inclusive, and a lot of people have deer rifles with 10 twist barrels.

Please don't get me wrong, I think this is a great idea and I can't wait to set the Tikka up for it, but I think it will be easier all round if it's simple. The trigger is fair enough if it's easy to measure at a comp and we'll allow the odd bit of quiet postal skulduggery.

The postal option is for people that cannot easily get to a suitable range with other shooters, if they do cheat they are cheating themselves even if they are 'rounding up or rounding down' Eventually they will be exposed for what they are.

My postal comment was very tongue in cheek, sorry reading it back it needed an emoticon.

tongueout

There is a lot of flexibility in the specification at least for year one (2013) so in theory people can shoot outside of the specification and then see how it comes together.

Mr_Logic wrote:My postal comment was very tongue in cheek, sorry reading it back it needed an emoticon.

I'm glad it's only tongue in cheek, because if I suggested to my club that we run a competition based around English Law, they may well lynch me!

Seriously though, I don't see it as that big a problem - you shoot the comp with a rifle and bullets that are legal for your area. It may well be the case that because of Scottish law the 243 isn't that popular up here (?) and we see more 308s for example. However, if it's not working then mention it to someone on here and maybe a solution could be found.

I fully admit (and expect) that after the first year the rules may have to be adjusted, we'll just have to wait and see.

I shot as close to S Class rules as I could yesterday. I say as close because I started out with a rear squeeze bag and then remembered the discussion about the legality of such an item so I discarded it. I was shooting at a 5" V Bull on a small frame.

One thing to consider on a hot day is course of fire, basically the rifle gets too hot with extended strings so the CoF at any distance needs to take this into account and I would suggest the maximum or the time allowed needs to be discussed further. 2+7 is fine however shooting an additional 2+7 a few minutes later when the rifle has been bagged up hot means you are still using a hot rifle.

On one occasion I chambered a round and then faffed around for a few seconds before deciding to un-chamber and was presented with a round that was all but too hot to handle and this of course leads to both vertical issues and more importantly unacceptable high chamber pressures and I had to take to single feeding, load the round into the chamber close the bolt and take the shot in virtually the same time as it takes to read this line. Doing this gave consistency of fall and did do a bit for keeping pressures down.

Triggers, I shot with a good 2.5 lb pull no issues against a .308 Krico shooter using a set trigger, no real advantage either way by the look of it.

Magnification, I was on the 12x and saw no mirage for the day despite adjusting my 'scope out of focus and dialling the parallax up and down so either it did not exist or was not a problem at 12x

Personally I think it is time to move this on, yes we can keep fine tuning the discussion document however I reckon the good news needs to be pushed out a bit more and see how it is accepted. It can be propagated across the UK shooting forums and does anyone else have a view on how to spread the word?

ovenpaa wrote: It can be propagated across the UK shooting forums and does anyone else have a view on how to spread the word?

Ask the nice folk at the NRA to add it to their next e-mail.

Mike

ovenpaa wrote: It can be propagated across the UK shooting forums and does anyone else have a view on how to spread the word?

All interested members to speak to their clubs directly?

I'll include a copy of the rules to my club Chairman for his thoughts, when I e-mail him to add me to his list of first aid qualified members.