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Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:23 pm
by StangGT
Well, I did my newb course at Bisley today;
What I liked:
Gallery rifle (lever and s-a rf)
7.62 bolt action rifles
5.56 AR-15 type rifle (straight pull)
My ideal rifle (I think!) would be a straight pull 7.62... Do they exist?
I'm afraid I didn't fully enjoy the SMLE. I am very glad to have shot such a historic gun but I couldn't get on with the sights. Loved the .303 round though...
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:40 pm
by dromia
Have a go with a No4 or a P14 (No3) other classic 303's but with aperture sights.
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:48 am
by Maggot
Matt wrote:Maggot wrote:HALODIN wrote:Can someone define "walt" for me please?
No worries.
Walt...walter mitty....maybee wannabee....fantasy figure usually found hunched over a laptop in the attic with a box of tissues.
The OTT, dressed to kill, unppropriately behaving, usually non exe forces all of whom have served with the SAS/SBS/CO19 (and are proud to let you know about this somehow) and have a massive library of good (but invariably incorrect or downright illegal) advice.
They do not HAVE to dress to kill, but many seem to manage.
This info is usually offered without prompting....I saw/heard one having a good look round to make sure everyone in earshot heard the pearl of wisdom.....sadly he was not wearing actives so did not hear myself and an exe bootie stood behind him say "Tosser"....again a word of wisdom lost in the ether tesnews
They come in different grades, some just talk the talk.
Some talk the talk but genuinely believe they can walk the walk (or have walked the walk) as well (usually routed out easilly by asking a few probing questions and some background knowledge)
They are out there but thankfully rare.
Then there are walts like me who blame my shooting on everything but lack of ability
Walt. In short living in another reality and usually capable of spinning yarns only another walt would believe.
read "Bullshitter".
Get it?
good explanation but I can't possibly imagine you calling someone a tosser tongueout
Me neither Matt, its normally toss pot.....
Toss pot
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:07 am
by StangGT
dromia wrote:Have a go with a No4 or a P14 (No3) other classic 303's but with aperture sights.
If I have understood the terminology correctly, this is what one of the 7.62 bolt action rifles had. A 'ghost ring'? Much, much better; I would definitely give that a go on an Enfield!
It was a little strange but the 'notch and post' (is that right?) sights on the SMLE left the target looking VERY blurry to me, but the ghost ring thing was superb; nice clean sight picture...
I am a bit of a 'recoil junkie' as the Yanks call it, so I definitely preferred the larger caliber rounds; however, the AR-15 was a joy to shoot; it just lacked a little 'ooomph'...
just the musings of a novice really!
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:15 am
by HALODIN
You have to line your rear and foresight up and then refocus your eyes on the foresight and then lollipop the target, it takes a bit of getting used to. I prefer the look of the SMLE, but prefer the sights on the No 4, it's easier to shoot IMO.
StangGT wrote:It was a little strange but the 'notch and post' (is that right?) sights on the SMLE left the target looking VERY blurry to me, but the ghost ring thing was superb; nice clean sight picture...
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:16 am
by Steve E
Foresight should be in focus, target should be out of focus or blurry.
No such thing as a 'ghost ring' on any Enfield. There is on No3 and No4 rifles a larger aperture battle sight that is used for distances up to 400 yds when the rear sight is in the down position.
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:29 am
by StangGT
The instructors had been quite clear with us to focus on the foresight, so that's what I tried to do.
I hope I'm getting the terminology correct: With the ring foresight on the modern single shot bolt action 7.62, the target was out of focus, but not blurry. It felt 'right' getting the target centred in the ring.
with the notch and post, the target wasnt just out of focus, it was absolutely blurred. Maybe it's my eyes, but I couldnt acquire the target in a manner that felt right.
Dunno if that makes any sense!
bottom line was I enjoyed it
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:31 am
by dromia
Ghost ring? Something left by invisible tea cups?
Sounds like American selling terminology.
The No3 and 4s have a fixed large aperture usually referred to as a battle sight and then an elevation adjustable aperture.
The target should be blurred, you cannot focus in more than one plane at a time, line the sights up and focus on the foresight the target will blur that is how it should be.
I'm surprised you weren't taught that on the day. Its is basic sight picture knowledge.
It used to be taught by the NRA or at least it was when I did my instructors course.
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:40 am
by dromia
BTW when you were using the post foresight was it a round bull or a tin hat target you were shooting at?
Re: Chicken or Egg?
Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:47 am
by StangGT
Perhaps I'm not making myself clear (pardon the pun)
we
were taught to focus on the foresight. Hence, the target was 'out of focus'- as you say, you cant focus on 2 different places at once. with the round foresight, it was fuzzy, a bit out of focus, but still recognisably a round black blob. This was perfectly fine and felt good.
with the post foresight however, the target wasnt just out of focus, it was downright swimming!
Perhaps the gun needing raising slightly for my body position maybe?
It was a 'take it in turns' thing with a group of 9, so they had to have a one size fits all approach to positioning the gun on the firing point. I just found the sight picture with the LE too difficult. I came away wondering how the Tommies got on with it!
for your comments all