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For the sake or 2 inches, could they not even attach a 2 inch rubber butt pad?!

Sixshot6 wrote:

Brian838 wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:
That is the best bet, it just needs either the stock fixing (its oal when fully collapsed is 22.5 inches) a brake welded on the threads that is about 2 inches long or a new uk legal barrel. I mean rudefatdog on their facebook page was on about a uk legal KSG that would be the worst thing to come here. Somebody talk some sense into him or someone else and get us the CMR carbine. It would be ace.

I just saw a review of the CMR-30 on the YouTube Military Arms Channel. I would love to have one but unless they welded the 2 inch muzzle brake before they were imported, sadly they would stay section 5 would they not?

Correct that is what I was trying to get at, either a longer barrel or a 2 inch brake welded on (pinned too before the welding to make things a little more sure). That is the most cost effective option and brakes that long do exist. With that out the way, its a case of actually finding someone to import them now.

I don't think it's that simple fella.

It's made as a section 5 firearm, so it would always be a section 5 firearm. You can't just weld stuff on to a short barrel firearm to bring it within law and then import it.

They need to be made as a section 1 firearm from the very beginning.

TattooedGun wrote: It's made as a section 5 firearm, so it would always be a section 5 firearm. You can't just weld stuff on to a short barrel firearm to bring it within law and then import it.

They need to be made as a section 1 firearm from the very beginning.

Well thats the theory but there are several examples where that hasn't been the case

FYI any lengthening of the gun would have to be at the muzzle/barrel end. The stock has to be removed/removable to strip the gun, so the butt pad and/or AR buffer tube ideas are out.

Blackstuff wrote:

TattooedGun wrote: It's made as a section 5 firearm, so it would always be a section 5 firearm. You can't just weld stuff on to a short barrel firearm to bring it within law and then import it.

They need to be made as a section 1 firearm from the very beginning.

Well thats the theory but there are several examples where that hasn't been the case

Which ones...?

I recall the M1 straight pulls being made from "parts" (stripping mutiple rifles and assembling as new rifles from parts to get round the legislation...

any others?

Blackstuff wrote:

TattooedGun wrote: It's made as a section 5 firearm, so it would always be a section 5 firearm. You can't just weld stuff on to a short barrel firearm to bring it within law and then import it.

They need to be made as a section 1 firearm from the very beginning.

Well thats the theory but there are several examples where that hasn't been the case

FYI any lengthening of the gun would have to be at the muzzle/barrel end. The stock has to be removed/removable to strip the gun, so the butt pad and/or AR buffer tube ideas are out.

Looks to me like the trigger group is the first thing to be removed- aren't you then into the realms of "Why isn't a 10/22 S.5 once the stock is removed for cleaning"?

Stock fixed fully extended looks OK to me? At c. 1.36 there's a note "turn if you do not want to (or can't!) remove the stock".

TattooedGun wrote: Which ones...?

I recall the M1 straight pulls being made from "parts" (stripping mutiple rifles and assembling as new rifles from parts to get round the legislation...

any others?

I'd prefer not to list them on an open forum but at least two others have been discussed, in depth, on here before

zanes wrote:
Looks to me like the trigger group is the first thing to be removed- aren't you then into the realms of "Why isn't a 10/22 S.5 once the stock is removed for cleaning"?

Stock fixed fully extended looks OK to me? At c. 1.36 there's a note "turn if you do not want to (or can't!) remove the stock".

It looks to me that you can remove the stock without having to remove the trigger group first, although i could be wrong on that.

Putting it back together looks fiddly enough without making things harder for yourself having the skelton stock locked in place, plus having an adjustable length of pull is going to be essential to get a decent cheek weld on it through a variety of body type/sizes. Welding a muzzle break on, or just having a slightly longer barrel would be the best, and easiest way to go IMO.

TattooedGun wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:


I just saw a review of the CMR-30 on the YouTube Military Arms Channel. I would love to have one but unless they welded the 2 inch muzzle brake before they were imported, sadly they would stay section 5 would they not?

Correct that is what I was trying to get at, either a longer barrel or a 2 inch brake welded on (pinned too before the welding to make things a little more sure). That is the most cost effective option and brakes that long do exist. With that out the way, its a case of actually finding someone to import them now.

I don't think it's that simple fella.

It's made as a section 5 firearm, so it would always be a section 5 firearm. You can't just weld stuff on to a short barrel firearm to bring it within law and then import it.

They need to be made as a section 1 firearm from the very beginning.

I meant welded on during the manufacturing process. And since the uk government has no authority to go and check when it happens at the factory, so long as it leaves the factory with the welded brake or longer barrel should be section 1 good to go.

Having watched that video, I don't think I would buy one.