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snayperskaya wrote:Is it me or has this topic moved?

yes its moved

I've used the GSG one quite a bit and think it is pretty crap.

The "Armscor" is great fun, and not that bad down range. It is a very generic "Squires Bingham" tubular body s/auto, much akin to every cheap .22 auto 50 years ago. The tubular action is "squeezed" between an alloy clamshell dummy AK action.

There is no provision for after market optics. I quickly discounted the option of machining dovetails. When I say alloy, more like die cast zinc alloy. We aren't talking aerospace aluminium.

There is however a void in the casting, that is roughly cylindrical, running approx 3/4 the length of the action top. I bored 3 holes in the dummy action, about 4.5mm, then split the action. In the void I installed a length of stainless round bar. Closed the action clamshell back, minus actual rifle mech, and accurately centre punched the s/steel bar through the clearance holes.

Split the dummy action again. Using a pillar drill and machine vise, obviously, I then drilled 3 holes in round bar to match clearance holes in AK. Tapped then out, M4, from memory. Then re-assembled rifle, with firing mech, and drilled & tapped bar. I used a couple of old machine screws to ensure that my round bar didn't turn out of line.

Once fully assembled, mounted a length of generic "Weaver" style rail using S/Steel set screws, and a hint of Loctite. Never had any zero shift, other than after full strip & clean.

Sounds more technical than it was, and my description won't be the best. But if you had a stripped down "Armscor" AK clone on the bench, it would make sense.

Anyone not happy with cutting threads etc, will have a mate who could handle it. I am not exactly a precision engineer myself.

breacher wrote:http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/firearms_beryl22.htm

£1,260-00 !!!

I like it 'n' all and it's better than the alternatives but £1,260-00 !!! :)

A chap could buy some really nice grown up rifles for that lind of money.

Dark Skies wrote:

breacher wrote:http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/firearms_beryl22.htm

£1,260-00 !!!

I like it 'n' all and it's better than the alternatives but £1,260-00 !!! :)

A chap could buy some really nice grown up rifles for that lind of money.

But in contex a secondhand Bremmer is around £700 a new cmmg is about £1100 plus a spikes is prob £1200 a raven is anyones guess ,some of the more specialist stuff is £1600 plus . Its a lot for a 22 but if you want it youve got to pay ....

Dark Skies wrote:

breacher wrote:http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/firearms_beryl22.htm

£1,260-00 !!!

I like it 'n' all and it's better than the alternatives but £1,260-00 !!! :)

A chap could buy some really nice grown up rifles for that lind of money.

To be fair it is a "proper" AK, albeit a .22lr, made by one of the best AK producers outside of Russia.The Polish AKs are very good quality and I believe these were originally produced as training rifles for the Polish military before being made available to the civilian market.

snayperskaya wrote:

Dark Skies wrote:

breacher wrote:http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/firearms_beryl22.htm

£1,260-00 !!!

I like it 'n' all and it's better than the alternatives but £1,260-00 !!! :)

A chap could buy some really nice grown up rifles for that lind of money.

To be fair it is a "proper" AK, albeit a .22lr, made by one of the best AK producers outside of Russia.The Polish AKs are very good quality and I believe these were originally produced as training rifles for the Polish military before being made available to the civilian market.

Comparable to what you would pay for an AR platform .22 manufactured using "proper" parts.

If it is of the same quality as those, its worth it.

Clearly our mileage may vary. I spent quite a bit on my SGC V22 ten years back but then it's incredibly well built and a straight shooter with impeccable back up. Having shot a few AK-22 types ... I'm not convinced one is worth that kind of money when there's so many 'proper' (uh oh, now I've done it) better rifles / handguns out there for less money.

Dark Skies wrote:Clearly our mileage may vary. I spent quite a bit on my SGC V22 ten years back but then it's incredibly well built and a straight shooter with impeccable back up. Having shot a few AK-22 types ... I'm not convinced one is worth that kind of money when there's so many 'proper' (uh oh, now I've done it) better rifles / handguns out there for less money.

I see where your coming from
but who would buy an AI for £5000 and add a scope £2000 Bipod £300 Moderator £500 Case £250 just to shoot holes in paper at 1200 yards when you could buy a RPR for £1800 and add a scope £1500 Bipod £300 Moderator £200 Case £150

we are the same as the carp fishing Tackle Tarts