Sfwh wrote:
That is not the rule the rules state only Lee-Enfield SMLE's, No.4's and No.5's may enter. Long-Lee's, Lee Metfords, Schmidt-Rubin 1889's, Vetterli's etc all have magazine capacities of 10 or more but are not allowed in. Even Lebel's can hold 10 if you want them too. Also it's not hard to grasp what the rules are I am just saying it's a stupid rule. Can you explain what cost there is to the Lee-Enfield shooters if you allow other rifles in with no other changes to the rules? Exactly like how the one match that does allow foreign service rifle, the any irons division and the falling plates are done. I have never heard anyone suggesting additional time for non-Lee's.
My mistake I was mixing the Historic SR matches with the rules for the CSR matches.
As this started as a CSR league match question I'll come back to topic, the rule of a 10round magazine is there for CSR league shooting. If the rifle has Iron Sights then there is a class for it. Go join in and have fun.
But that is not enough, we all want our own class, which waters down the competition and makes stats a pointless task.
You also have to allow a bit of time to let the word spread that non-Lee's are now catered for you can't expect to do it once and have hundreds of people enter immediately. It will take time for the "Lee-Enfield or go home" image CSR currently has to wear off.
Non-Lees are and have been catered for since it started many years ago. The reason not many turned up to shoot (though a few did, had great fun and were welcomed) seems to be they don't want to and would rather moan about not being included (they are) and where the class for their particular rifle is (it's there, called "Irons").
This is the second time someone has said "you should only be competing against your own score" however that is an argument in favour of letting the foreign service rifles in not against it. If you are only competing against your own score why does it matter if omeone with a Mosin is beating you?
This is the third time someone mentioned competing against your own score, and just like you I was commenting on the previous mention not making the claim.
Ultimately I already do organise competitions without bias to one particular rifle.
Good for you, I mean that sincerely.
(But could I turn up with my 1984C, BSA martini or 10/22?)
Ultimately I already do organise competitions without bias to one particular rifle. It just seems a shame I can't recommend my club members the CSR competitions because there is an insistence on using one particular rifle with no logical basis other than some people get upset but won't give a proper reason why.
The bias is yours, there is a class for 10 round capacity full-bore rifles, whatever the rifle, so if you don't like it the problem is not with the match rules.
The historic class was there for historical reasons, that was the rifles allowed in the SR matches in the past. To Iron/SO/PO rules allow all other suitable rifles to enter.
4 classes is more than enough, some seem to think there should be classes for everything; the Mosin class, the Schmidt class, the older Lee class, etc. There would be little or no take up in these classes and as seen before so many complain about not being included (they are) and when specifically accommodated they don't turn up. Perhaps the AR-style straight-pulls should be in a class of their own, and the one shooter with a M1A - damn he shoots in Irons but where is the American WWII SR class?
At the risk of going off topic:
Going back to the Centenary Armistice match, the idea behind it was to have 100 SMLEs on the point, that was admirably achieved. Some complained about other WWI service rifles not being included so they were added and a couple of takers turned up - it still fitted the theme. But then the No4 owners wanted to play and despite being told it was only for SMLE's and other WWI service rifles at least one No4 turned up.
