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Re: Section 7 Pistols
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 9:23 am
by Mikaveli
ordnance wrote:Not necessarily. I got the grant of my firearms certificate in 2004 with a Colt 1911 semi-automatic pistol, that I keep at home without ammunition as a collector's item.
I didn't know that you could get a 1911 as a collectors item as the .45 calibre ammo is readily available, maybe I have read the legislation wrong.
I don't know if a .45 ACP 1911 is suitable for section 7.1 (I'd assume not), but you realise that the 1911 was also available in .455 Eley - that's what many UK collectors will have.
AFAIK, you can have 9mm and .45 ACP on a 7.3 ticket, just not for 7.1 at home.
Re: Section 7 Pistols
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:06 pm
by meles meles
.455 Eley ? Is that the same as .455 Webley, or something very different?
Re: Section 7 Pistols
Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:21 pm
by Mikaveli
meles meles wrote:.455 Eley ? Is that the same as .455 Webley, or something very different?
Sorry, yeah .455 Webley is the calibre, Eley just made a lot of them.
Re: Section 7 Pistols
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:03 pm
by Stephen
ordnance wrote:Not necessarily. I got the grant of my firearms certificate in 2004 with a Colt 1911 semi-automatic pistol, that I keep at home without ammunition as a collector's item.
I didn't know that you could get a 1911 as a collectors item as the .45 calibre ammo is readily available, maybe I have read the legislation wrong.
Sorry, I should have added that the 1911 is chambered for 455, which makes it eligible for s7(1). Colt made about 11,000 of them, solely for the the British government during the Great War. I am told that they are the most desired 7(1) pistol.
Here's a link to a picture of mine:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6187/6046 ... 5e2e9b.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6184/6046 ... e8725b.jpg
Re: Section 7 Pistols
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:04 pm
by Stephen
Mikaveli wrote:I don't know if a .45 ACP 1911 is suitable for section 7.1 (I'd assume not), but you realise that the 1911 was also available in .455 Eley - that's what many UK collectors will have.
AFAIK, you can have 9mm and .45 ACP on a 7.3 ticket, just not for 7.1 at home.
I also have a 1944 issued 1911A1 in 45 ACP which I keep at a heritage site and shoot.
Re: Section 7 Pistols
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 7:00 pm
by ordnance
Sorry, I should have added that the 1911 is chambered for 455, which makes it eligible for s7(1). Colt made about 11,000 of them, solely for the the British government during the Great War. I am told that they are the most desired 7(1) pistol.
Nice pistol how rare is the 1911 in .445. I have a 1911 in .45, one in .445 would be interesting.
Re: Section 7 Pistols
Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:55 am
by Stephen
ordnance wrote:
Sorry, I should have added that the 1911 is chambered for 455, which makes it eligible for s7(1). Colt made about 11,000 of them, solely for the the British government during the Great War. I am told that they are the most desired 7(1) pistol.
Nice pistol how rare is the 1911 in .445. I have a 1911 in .45, one in .445 would be interesting.
Fairly rare. As I said, Colt made about 11,000 of them. If you compare that with the production run of 1911s during the Great War that is less than 5%. Also a lot of them were converted to 45 ACP after the war. They can be legally restored back to 455 by replacing the barrel assembly with a genuine vintage 455 barrel, but those are very, very rare. Prices are commensurate with that. Even a nasty refinished sporterized 455 1911 will cost about £2,000. One with most of its original finish will cost £5,000+. Mine is a virtually mint unissued example shipped to Britain just after the war ended. I'll never sell mine as I would never be able to get a replacement for it.
