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Been reading about them

They do seem great bang for buck :cheers: :shakeshout:

Accurate at or close to custom levels

Don't forget the Remington PSS in .223
It's also capable of fine accuracy, and although only a 1 in 9 twist, mine at least still manages to stabilise the 77g SMK.

Hormady's 75gr bthp works from a 9 twist also, and is very good at 600 yards

EagerNoSkill wrote:I believe in "Train Hard Fight Easy"

I will practice diligently but F-Class in the end is about Wind Reading.
The 308 in competition mode attempts to minimise wind reading!

Primary use or .223
To that end I want a lighter gun (ie .223) that is super accurate BUT in lighter winds will drift more
Thus up to 600 yards I will have a gun I can shot and see wind affect more readily and hopefully learn more

A secondary benefit is that the .223 is F-TR compliant and I have a gun that
1. Can be a backup to the 308
2. Take up some of the barrel wear that would have been on the 308 both in training an dup to 600 yards

The best way to improve your wind skills with your 308 is to spend as much time on the range as you can with your 308. The best backup rifle for your 308 would be another 308.

By investing in another caliber to ‘make wind reading more difficult’ you are putting a lot of time and money into a new rifle, dies and loading equipment, time and range time for load development and practice that could be spent on range time, ammo and barrels to actually achieve what you want: to master wind with your 308. If you want to make it difficult, just stick to the hardest distances; it’s hard enough. 90% of my training is at 300, 600 and 1000, with probably 60% at 1000. If you really want to make it more difficult just shoot a less efficient bullet at a lower velocity with a less aggressive powder; you’ll reduce barrel wear too.

My backup rifle is as near as possible identical to No 1. The spares I carry, like extractors, firing pins etc, are all interchangeable. I can swap sights between them. I can swap barreled actions between stocks. If necessary I can make ammo suitable for both, which is particularly important if you have to travel by air.

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I've got an AR15 with 20" 1 in 8 and a 26" 1 in 7" uppers and to tell the truth, I'm not too sure which is most accurate. Both will shoot 77 & 80gns bullets very accurately at 600 yards. The 26" 1 in 7 does it very well though with the 90gn bullets.

rox wrote:
The best way to improve your wind skills with your 308 is to spend as much time on the range as you can with your 308. The best backup rifle for your 308 would be another 308

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Eagernoskill,

This is the best advice you've been given! I'd take it - unless you like a challenge.......

But... Laurie Holland and me are putting together a 'modest' 223 FTR rifle based on a Savage just to see if it's possible to be competitive.

Vince

Roz gun pimp and related

In my heart of hearts I know you right
I am early in my f-class travels with much to learn and master

Getting the basics right with 1 system and a load or two
Thanks all for some great info sign92

Accurate .223? Have you considered boring it out to, say, 7.62x54R ?