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Mike357 wrote:If you have the money for the HK, I'd honestly suggest that you go for a CMMG avilable from Lantac or NWCP. Full mil-spec and not made of plastic or monkey metal. Will also allow you to add a dedicated 223/300AAC upper in the future should you wish.

Customer service from Lantac is also first class.

Would have to agree, money is always a deciding factor, i was lucky i had a tax rebate of £1000.

Been searching for months for a dedicated .22 and trying to decide what was best, from quality/upgrades....and i came to the decision it was a 15/22, but then found lantac...

Ive had a couple of long chats with paul from lantac, and have finally decided to go with the cmmg dedicated .22 with the option of changing the upper which will also be dedicated to .223. And as for customer service stated by mike......its second to none :goodjob:

I read a comment on a U.S forum saying that basically a dedicated .22 will be used so much more due to costs/ammo prices etc...so due to the extended use and upgrades available cost shouldnt be a factor on your purchase...roll on the next 10 weeks clapclap

Primer wrote:
Where are you based? As our club has pretty much one of each of all the popular black/tactical rifles, HK, Sig, CMMG, AK47 looky likeys, Rugers, loads of S & W 15-22's and a raft of expensive AR style that I can't remember the names of, so depends if you have a club near you and what they have and are prepared to let you try.

Bremmer M16

These are often overlooked when considering a .22AR15 type rifle although not an M4. They are a little pricey and rare as they’re not manufactured anymore but they do come up for sale every now and then. I last saw one priced at £600 but it was a little beaten up and was missing some easily replaceable pins. It was the rarer Colt Commando type with collapsible stock.

The beauty of the rifle is that it is built of the same materials using M16 castings, furniture and hardware. The lower can be used with a .223 upper and the .22rf upper uses the M261 conversion kit developed for the US military so they could fire .22 in their .223s for training purposes. Not a success in the fast twist barrel deigned for jacketed bullets.

The rifle is reliable, I’ve had it 13 years now and have put tens of thousands of rounds through it and the only thing that’s gone wrong is a broken firing pin in the first 2 years. It’s also very accurate. Only drawback is that the push in magazine adapter is 10 rnds but Black Dog do a 30 rounder.



Looks a little long in this photo' but it's the wide angle lens effect



Cheers

PaulR

20series wrote:?.....
Most Semi's have quirks regarding preferred ammo however CCI now have a dedicated .22 AR ammo which a guy had at my club last weekend and fed 350 through his Southern Gun V22 without a single jam!!
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V22's rock :)

They had a Bremmer .22 in the Sportsman Center in Newport not long back. £450 or around that if memory serves. Looked in good condition also.

I do like my Spikes though, despite having initially a few teething issues with ammo etc. Get the right ammo and it is faultless. Also changed out the trigger spring for a much better trigger pull.

MikeyB

techguy wrote:I'm going for the 15-22 when my FAC eventually turns up. I've seen them perform well in multi gun comps which does it for me. I had issues with a ruger 10/22 in the same event (down to magazines)

I've seen a spikes st-22 have cycling/FTF on CCI mini mags in poor weather conditions so that put me off that one.

15-22 is a good price point, would rather polymer over monkey metal.

If money isn't a factor, go for a lantac, or a Bradley arms if you can get one!

In defence of Spikes, I have had one for two years now, shot in all weathers and fed on Mini mags it never misses a beat.

Major plus for me is it's a real AR-15 and not an airsoft replica with a .22 barrel and bolt glued in!

If you get a chance to handle one you can see the typically uncompromising US build quality is streets ahead of most of the competition.

I had a 15-22 for a couple of years. Guess I ran 3-4k rounds through it and never once had a FTF or FTE. For the price, it was solid and never let me down. Absolutely no complaints and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

However, I am about to pull the trigger again and will go CMMG route this time. Its about wanting something a little different to the 15-22, something heavier and a little more customised that I can take out to longer range and upgrade from more easily.

huntervixen wrote:Major plus for me is it's a real AR-15 and not an airsoft replica with a .22 barrel and bolt glued in!

No, a REAL AR15 is a .223 cal, direct gas impingment, rotary bolt locking semi auto rifle...... but I see where you're coming from!!! :lol:

You've got to remember that all the current rimfire tac rifles all represent something different to what they are in the UK. Spikes and CMMG are to give a quality upper for those who want to swap their uppers out on their real AR's for cheap rimfire practice, or for a dedicated quality gun.

The S&W and the SIG were designed for small polce depts and the like that used the .223 version of the rifles, to have a very cheap, but reliable, accurate and hard wearing sub caliber trainer.

And, the GSG, Colt M4 and HK's are all to give a "tacticool rimfire replica" for fun and games!

They all have their uses which do fall within a particular pricing structure, not that you'd know that in the UK, which is why some believe that a commparison can be made between them, but I don't think it can....

Sim G wrote:

huntervixen wrote:Major plus for me is it's a real AR-15 and not an airsoft replica with a .22 barrel and bolt glued in!

No, a REAL AR15 is a .223 cal, or 6.8SPC, or 7.62X39, OR 6.5 Grendel direct gas impingment, rotary bolt locking semi auto rifle...... but I see where you're coming from!!! :lol:

You've got to remember that all the current rimfire tac rifles all represent something different to what they are in the UK. Spikes, CMMG & the V-22 are to give a quality upper for those who want to swap their uppers out on their real AR's for cheap rimfire practice, or for a dedicated quality gun.

Sim G wrote:

huntervixen wrote:Major plus for me is it's a real AR-15 and not an airsoft replica with a .22 barrel and bolt glued in!

No, a REAL AR15 is a .223 cal, direct gas impingment, rotary bolt locking semi auto rifle...... but I see where you're coming from!!! :lol:

You've got to remember that all the current rimfire tac rifles all represent something different to what they are in the UK. Spikes and CMMG are to give a quality upper for those who want to swap their uppers out on their real AR's for cheap rimfire practice, or for a dedicated quality gun.

The S&W and the SIG were designed for small polce depts and the like that used the .223 version of the rifles, to have a very cheap, but reliable, accurate and hard wearing sub caliber trainer.

And, the GSG, Colt M4 and HK's are all to give a "tacticool rimfire replica" for fun and games!

They all have their uses which do fall within a particular pricing structure, not that you'd know that in the UK, which is why some believe that a commparison can be made between them, but I don't think it can....

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself and that's why i didn't clapclap clapclap

saddler wrote:

Sim G wrote:

huntervixen wrote:Major plus for me is it's a real AR-15 and not an airsoft replica with a .22 barrel and bolt glued in!

No, a REAL AR15 is a .223 cal, or 6.8SPC, or 7.62X39, OR 6.5 Grendel direct gas impingment, rotary bolt locking semi auto rifle...... but I see where you're coming from!!! :lol:

You've got to remember that all the current rimfire tac rifles all represent something different to what they are in the UK. Spikes, CMMG & the V-22 are to give a quality upper for those who want to swap their uppers out on their real AR's for cheap rimfire practice, or for a dedicated quality gun.

Ah, Sweet Cheeks, did I leave you out and hurt your feewy eelings?

No, .223 is the calibre of an AR15. Your "Jonny Come Lately" up starts are not the panacea, they are smoke and mirrors......

As for the V22?!! A pig wearing lipstick is still a lipstick wearing pig.....