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Sim G wrote:

Mikaveli wrote: How does that equate to me not using them properly? I don't see any professional clay shooters using ghost ring sights, and very few using them for PSG at the clubs I've been to.

Ghost ring sights, when used properly, don't obscure the sight picture. They are called "ghost ring" because the rear sight will to all intents and purposes, "disappears" and all that will be apparent is a very faint outline of it, hence "ghost". But, the brain is still able to line up the sights correctly.

A rather glib comment concerning pro clay shooters and your "clubs", so it mustn't work, then? Or conversley, don't see many service, duty, tactical of defensive shotguns that don't have ghost ring sights on these days....

I don't know why you're trying to pick an argument? If ghost rings work for you, fine.

For me, no matter where I position my head, some of the sight picture isn't as visible as when I just use a rib. The rear sight stands half an inch or so proud of the action - looking directly through the ring gives a more limited fov than if it wasn't there. At most ranges, it isn't a big issue - but at some it is. The front sight also obscures a little vision - not much when compared to the barrel, but it still does. I'm shooting primarily at steel plates, mostly a lot smaller than a human target and they get lost behind the ghost ring sights - particularly around the base / mount. If I can't see a target, I can't shoot it... so it slows me down, ever so slightly.



Beretta don't seem to think they're all that hot either. Its new 1301, designed specifically for practical shooting, doesn't have any. True, loads of tactical style shotguns do, but what's a service or defensive shotgun got to do with PSG? It's less relevant than clay shooting. Sorry I don't have your x-ray eyes...

From first hand experience, and from people I have shot with bead sights are better for PSG. None of the top guys in PSG shoot with ghost rings, must be for some reason...Check out the Mossberg JM 930, and the Beretta 1301.. neither have ghost rings, and both are designed for PSG. The Mossberg was endorsed by Jerry Miculek who knows a thing or two about practical shooting..

Ghost rings are better for target shotgun type shooting.

If you can shoot PSG better with ghost rings, fair play to you but for most people bead sights are better for PSG.

Mikaveli wrote:
I don't know why you're trying to pick an argument?

Nope, not looking for an argument, just responded to your asumption that "ghost ring sights are pretty useless for anything other than slug".

Obviously I hurt your feelings when I said you were doing something wrong, hence your smart ar$e replies.

Sim G wrote:

Mikaveli wrote:
I don't know why you're trying to pick an argument?

Nope, not looking for an argument, just responded to your asumption that "ghost ring sights are pretty useless for anything other than slug".

Obviously I hurt your feelings when I said you were doing something wrong, hence your smart ar$e replies.

You haven't hurt my feelings. I just thought it was unnecessary to have a go at my personal shooting ability because I hold a different opinion on a piece of equipment. You could have brought something positive to the table, like sharing your knowledge of any techniques that may help someone who isn't (in your opinion) using them right.

Mikaveli wrote:You haven't hurt my feelings. I just thought it was unnecessary to have a go at my personal shooting ability because I hold a different opinion on a piece of equipment. You could have brought something positive to the table, like sharing your knowledge of any techniques that may help someone who isn't (in your opinion) using them right.

I tried to, but evidently you're a little precious for that. Stick to what you presume you know....

Sim G wrote:

Mikaveli wrote:You haven't hurt my feelings. I just thought it was unnecessary to have a go at my personal shooting ability because I hold a different opinion on a piece of equipment. You could have brought something positive to the table, like sharing your knowledge of any techniques that may help someone who isn't (in your opinion) using them right.

I tried to, but evidently you're a little precious for that. Stick to what you presume you know....

Take a look at my first reply again...

I described why they didn't work for me, you replied with sacarsm, not adding anything of value.

Take a look at the difference in tone between you and Chuck - who also likes ghost rings... You haven't added anything positive to this thread.

Sarcasm? Trust me, that was no where near sarcasm.

Either way, you've just breached my boredom threshold....

mikaveli, if it helps I find that the set up on the CZ makes it look like there is just a front sight only, the ghost ring is just that, a ghost and at speed you do not see it, at longer ranges for precision it works just fine.

I think at the end of the day it's personal preference, I just find that real sights for slug take a bit of a beating over a bead only set up - just an opinion. Use whatever works best for you I suppose.

After some digging looks like the 1301 is pretty light on the ground and won't be readily available until November. Gives me plenty of time to get saving

Chuck wrote:mikaveli, if it helps I find that the set up on the CZ makes it look like there is just a front sight only, the ghost ring is just that, a ghost and at speed you do not see it, at longer ranges for precision it works just fine.

I think at the end of the day it's personal preference, I just find that real sights for slug take a bit of a beating over a bead only set up - just an opinion. Use whatever works best for you I suppose.

Ghost-rings are my preference for slug shooting. I just don't think the ones fitted to the Hatstand are much cop - I think it's because they're integrated with the rear picatinny, so they're much higher above the line of the barrel than I would have thought is ideal.

I've also seen some that literally just have a ring on a small post at the rear, without any of the shroud / anti-bash plates around them, so they presumably don't obscure your view in the same way.