The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010.

snayperskaya wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:

dromia wrote:You would genuflect if they sprayed it black.

Nah its the boxey-Chinese-workshop looking body, broken looking trigger and cut-out piece of a coke can trigger guard that puts me off. Plus the handguard and lets not forget its not black.

The Chinese QBZ-95 is much better, not boxey-English-workshop looking......and it's black

The Canucks get a 223 version, if I lived in Canada i'd have one, they even found a solution for lefties, JB weld on a brass deflector and all appears good. I mean what can't you do with JB welding .

Sixshot6 wrote:
The Canucks get a 223 version, if I lived in Canada i'd have one, they even found a solution for lefties, JB weld on a brass deflector and all appears good. I mean what can't you do with JB welding .

Yes, the Canadians get the Norinco Type 97, which is the civilian market version of the QBZ, which is chambered in .223 rather than the original 5.8x42 Chinese military calibre.The Type 97 also has a longer 19" barrel.

I don't even know what some of these words mean.

snayperskaya wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:
The Canucks get a 223 version, if I lived in Canada i'd have one, they even found a solution for lefties, JB weld on a brass deflector and all appears good. I mean what can't you do with JB welding .

Yes, the Canadians get the Norinco Type 97, which is the civilian market version of the QBZ, which is chambered in .223 rather than the original 5.8x42 Chinese military calibre.The Type 97 also has a longer 19" barrel.

For the non-restricted class, means you can use it on private land and hunt whereas an AR is restricted and range only. What do you think about their incoming Type 81's? Closest to an AK but with an SKS gas system, a regulator like an SVD and bolt hold open if you use the 81 mags (AK mags dont have that ,but due to the existence of the AIA 7.62x39 mags, it will allow 10 round use under canadian law). Also to be fair 19 inches is better for milsurp 223, since its mostly nato stuff that was designed for a 20 inch barrel M16 anyway.

BamBam wrote:

Fedaykin wrote:[
It was a pity that it wasn't sold into the civilian market, the few that are in civilian hands in the UK came from odd sources.

Being an odd source can get you into trouble.

There is a big question mark about all the rifle that 'came from Canada', it appears that there may be some doubt as to the provenance of some of them, which is part of the reason the MoD is interested in those in civilian hands (or so I've been told).

Sixshot6 wrote:

snayperskaya wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:
The Canucks get a 223 version, if I lived in Canada i'd have one, they even found a solution for lefties, JB weld on a brass deflector and all appears good. I mean what can't you do with JB welding .

Yes, the Canadians get the Norinco Type 97, which is the civilian market version of the QBZ, which is chambered in .223 rather than the original 5.8x42 Chinese military calibre.The Type 97 also has a longer 19" barrel.

For the non-restricted class, means you can use it on private land and hunt whereas an AR is restricted and range only. What do you think about their incoming Type 81's? Closest to an AK but with an SKS gas system, a regulator like an SVD and bolt hold open if you use the 81 mags (AK mags dont have that ,but due to the existence of the AIA 7.62x39 mags, it will allow 10 round use under canadian law). Also to be fair 19 inches is better for milsurp 223, since its mostly nato stuff that was designed for a 20 inch barrel M16 anyway.

To be honest I don't see the point of the Type 81 (not so much "incoming" as the Chinese have had them since the early 80s), they have the Type 56 AK variant and the Type 56 carbine (SKS) so why create a hybrid of the two?.....if it ain't broke don't fix it!.Actually the Chinese issued more SKS rifles than AKs, around about 3:1, as Chinese infantry doctrine preferred the longer range accuracy of the SKS to the firepower of the AK.

Ten round AK mags are easy enough to come by and there are quite a few AK mags that have last round BHO mag followers, notably Chinese and Yugoslavian mags, which can be retro-fitted into just about any AK mag body and I have a few Izhmash and Tula 30r Bakelites with Yugo BHO followers in them.

snayperskaya wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:

The Canucks get a 223 version, if I lived in Canada i'd have one, they even found a solution for lefties, JB weld on a brass deflector and all appears good. I mean what can't you do with JB welding .

Yes, the Canadians get the Norinco Type 97, which is the civilian market version of the QBZ, which is chambered in .223 rather than the original 5.8x42 Chinese military calibre.The Type 97 also has a longer 19" barrel.

For the non-restricted class, means you can use it on private land and hunt whereas an AR is restricted and range only. What do you think about their incoming Type 81's? Closest to an AK but with an SKS gas system, a regulator like an SVD and bolt hold open if you use the 81 mags (AK mags dont have that ,but due to the existence of the AIA 7.62x39 mags, it will allow 10 round use under canadian law). Also to be fair 19 inches is better for milsurp 223, since its mostly nato stuff that was designed for a 20 inch barrel M16 anyway.

To be honest I don't see the point of the Type 81 (not so much "incoming" as the Chinese have had them since the early 80s), they have the Type 56 AK variant and the Type 56 carbine (SKS) so why create a hybrid of the two?.....if it ain't broke don't fix it!.Actually the Chinese issued more SKS rifles than AKs, around about 3:1, as Chinese infantry doctrine preferred the longer range accuracy of the SKS to the firepower of the AK.

Ten round AK mags are easy enough to come by and there are quite a few AK mags that have last round BHO mag followers, notably Chinese and Yugoslavian mags, which can be retro-fitted into just about any AK mag body and I have a few Izhmash and Tula 30r Bakelites with Yugo BHO followers in them.[/quote]

I meant for the Canadians. Ak variants are banned but type 81s are not. The 10 round trick is for them to go to legal 10 round mags also. Too confusing to go into now.

I kinda bodged the last message due to being on the phone, but I meant to say the Canadians are getting a semi auto version of the type 81 that is the closest they are legally getting to an AK. What is your opinion on that? They've got the sks, the type 97, and how this. So old, new and sorta new now then. You could do a real thing of Chinese firearms there by the looks?

bnz41 wrote:Just a thought, wonder what happened to the L98 straight pull rifle that was an issue.

Stored away in a police lockup somewhere, soon to be for sale maybe.

If it is in Police care, no-longer needed as evidence and technically MOD property then alas it will more than likely be cut up.

Fedaykin wrote:

bnz41 wrote:Just a thought, wonder what happened to the L98 straight pull rifle that was an issue.

Stored away in a police lockup somewhere, soon to be for sale maybe.

If it is in Police care, no-longer needed as evidence and technically MOD property then alas it will more than likely be cut up.

Very sad turn of events, its always a tragedy when a good firearm goes to the chop.