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Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:02 pm
by Sim G
MistAgain wrote:
There has been a constant demand for a Smith & Wesson-Based revolver which is compliant with UK regulations since the ban of 1997. However, the law dictates that it is not permissible to convert any firearm which has been built as a Section 5 (firearm with less than 12” (300mm) barrel, and less than 24” (600mm) overall length) into a Section 1. As S&W had no 12” barrel models, and no plan to build one, it has not been possible until now. To build a UK-compliant revolver we needed to buy an “incomplete” firearm or a “Kit” of parts that had never been assembled.
And an update ..............Due to Smith & Wesson declining to supply the frame kits, this project will be on hold until a suitable alternative can be found.
I've often wondered with the s1 versus s5 malarkey.
What about having a 'smith in Northern Ireland take a s1 revolver and add a 12" barrel and a rod, then ship that s1 gun to a RFD on the Mainland as a s1. It should then remain as such as its then never been a s5....
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:47 pm
by Swifty Boy
MistAgain wrote:I was told that only three made it into the country .
But Mike started refunding deposits before his tragic accident as he could no longer supply them .
I have one of them (bought via this forum) so interested to know if this is true. Very pleased with the gun.
Any other owners on here?
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:38 am
by Dellboy
Sim G wrote:MistAgain wrote:
There has been a constant demand for a Smith & Wesson-Based revolver which is compliant with UK regulations since the ban of 1997. However, the law dictates that it is not permissible to convert any firearm which has been built as a Section 5 (firearm with less than 12” (300mm) barrel, and less than 24” (600mm) overall length) into a Section 1. As S&W had no 12” barrel models, and no plan to build one, it has not been possible until now. To build a UK-compliant revolver we needed to buy an “incomplete” firearm or a “Kit” of parts that had never been assembled.
And an update ..............Due to Smith & Wesson declining to supply the frame kits, this project will be on hold until a suitable alternative can be found.
Interesting thought if section 5 doesnt exist in the place of origin (especially if it uk ) then that could be the way forward . As UK has allready accepted it as legal in its short form .
I've often wondered with the s1 versus s5 malarkey.
What about having a 'smith in Northern Ireland take a s1 revolver and add a 12" barrel and a rod, then ship that s1 gun to a RFD on the Mainland as a s1. It should then remain as such as its then never been a s5....
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:52 am
by Dellboy
So what would stop you buying those copy frames and building from them ?
What are they regarded as a part or a liscensed part ?
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:55 am
by Blackstuff
Sim G wrote:MistAgain wrote:
There has been a constant demand for a Smith & Wesson-Based revolver which is compliant with UK regulations since the ban of 1997. However, the law dictates that it is not permissible to convert any firearm which has been built as a Section 5 (firearm with less than 12” (300mm) barrel, and less than 24” (600mm) overall length) into a Section 1. As S&W had no 12” barrel models, and no plan to build one, it has not been possible until now. To build a UK-compliant revolver we needed to buy an “incomplete” firearm or a “Kit” of parts that had never been assembled.
And an update ..............Due to Smith & Wesson declining to supply the frame kits, this project will be on hold until a suitable alternative can be found.
I've often wondered with the s1 versus s5 malarkey.
What about having a 'smith in Northern Ireland take a s1 revolver and add a 12" barrel and a rod, then ship that s1 gun to a RFD on the Mainland as a s1. It should then remain as such as its then never been a s5....
Getting an opinion from the Home Office as to whether a S5 'handgun' under UK legislation is in fact such outside of the UK would be the way to find out I suppose. i.e. When does a "small firearm" become a small firearm, anywhere in the world its manufactured, or only when it crosses our borders?
FYI there were definitely more than 3 Icon Arms Sigs made otherwise I've managed to see them all together in one 20 person competition last year which I doubt. There were two of them in my local club alone (one was sold early this year, i'm not sure about the other one).
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:02 am
by Gh0st
I'm guessing an opinion is not much good until someone sets the precedent and challenges the system within the rules.
I wonder how many LBP in total in the U.K. The market must be tiny? Couple of thousand atvthe most?
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:36 am
by MistAgain
Gh0st wrote:There's no issue getting hold of glock frames though.
Maybe your friend who is going to import .22 long barrel glocks could consider offering full refunds to any buyer that has his glock seized by the police at some time in the future .
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 8:46 am
by Gh0st
MistAgain wrote:Gh0st wrote:There's no issue getting hold of glock frames though.
Maybe your friend who is going to import .22 long barrel glocks could consider offering full refunds to any buyer that has his glock seized by the police at some time in the future .
Well, i was trying to steer clear from this being brought up as the last thread got closed and this isnt my thread to hijack.
but my friend already imports enough to the UK to know the laws inside and out. The Glock will be UK legal. Its not worth his reputation for it not to be.
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:01 am
by BamBam
Who will be selling the Glock LBP?
Re: New LBP coming to the UK hopefully
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:07 am
by Gh0st
BamBam wrote:Who will be selling the Glock LBP?
Probably worth you reading this locked thread to get more of an understanding on the Glock....
https://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=31412