First Rifle

[HALODIN]

Yeh I kind of gathered that. There's very few nice second hand rifles around, although quite a bit of middle of the road equipment. I guess the nicer rifles never make it to gunstar!

I just had a look at the No 4 Holland and Holland and I'd love one! I shot an Enfield .303 for the first time last week and I loved it, lets just call it a man's rifle, but you can imagine how much better it would be with a scope on top. I have to say I've heard bad things about old scopes, but this looks OK to me.





Yes the LMT uses the standard T charging handle. Personally I prefer it, although I know it's not as convenient as the addition of the side charging handles. You have to remember it's "fashion, never function..."

[ovenpaa]

I had a No4(T) for a couple of years which was fitted with a late No32 Mk1 Kershaw with MOA Index rings and it was a great little 'scope. It was only 3.bowl magnification and the centre post was wider than the target frame at 1000 yards but it shot like a demon and in some ways I quite miss it. I also have an original 3x 'scope for a WWI G98 which has simply stunning glass just waiting to be fitted to a P14 when I get around to it.

[HALODIN]

There's something really simple and satisfying about an old tried and tested rifle. Would love to see a pic if you ever fit the scope to a P14.

I had a No4(T) for a couple of years which was fitted with a late No32 Mk1 Kershaw with MOA Index rings and it was a great little 'scope. It was only 3.bowl magnification and the centre post was wider than the target frame at 1000 yards but it shot like a demon and in some ways I quite miss it. I also have an original 3x 'scope for a WWI G98 which has simply stunning glass just waiting to be fitted to a P14 when I get around to it.

[ovenpaa]

The 'scope will go on the P14 but not be publicised as I have already received death threats for even suggesting such heracy. Apaprently it is quite an emotive subject even though I will be fitting it with obviously new rings and not trying to disguise as anything it is not.

[HALODIN]

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[HALODIN]

Well it only took 2 days for everything to change again FFS... :lol:

I've just been advised that if you replace the .223 LMT LM223SS bolt/barrel and mag with a dedicated .22 bolt/barrel and mag it will turn a .223 straight pull rifle in to a .22 semi-auto rifle, this is an absolute result. I assumed semi-auto wouldn't be possible in a .22 conversion... So I can have the .223 rifle I want with a .22 conversion kit that doesn't rely on either a .223 barrel (constant cleaning and 2 MOA(!) @ 25 yards) or replacing the M4 upper for an extra £650. So...

Lewis Machine Tools (LMT LM223 SS) - £1,700.00
.22 conversion kit (inc new barrel/bolt/mag) - £ 400.00

At £2,100 for both a .223 and .22 with excellent accuracy for a military style rifle and shared optics, I think this is a really good deal. Any thoughts?

Last night I had a bit of a revelation, Something I do want in an AR platform is semi-auto, clearly I can't get this in either the LMT LM233SS or the Lantac even with a .22 conversion. It's a shame they can't limit semi-auto if there's a .223 bolt in the rifle, as this would be the perfect solution for me.

So as of just this second.... I am chasing the following first and second rifles:

1 x .22 semi-auto Spike's Tactical with CMMG mag(s)
1 x .223 AICS Remington 700 + 26 inch barrel

[JS569]

For 400 smackers you get a .22, then I think it is a no brainer. You get used to the same platform thus increasing your comfort with the set up and you tick all the boxes. Hell if I could do that with my AR (need to check but pretty sure I can) I would be tempted! The shared optics would require re-zeroing after each change of the barrel etc. Would a spare upper with barrel and optic not be a smoother solution in regards to this?

[HALODIN]

Yeh I think it's a no brainer as well, it's kinda hard to see a problem with it. A spare upper would be a smoother costlier solution, but if you're going to that much trouble you may as well have 2 rifles, the upper and the scope seem to be the more expensive components. I don't mind re-zero'ing in the scope as it just gives me an excuse to rattle a few more rounds down the range and it technically means I get 3 (or 2.5) rifles in the gun safe instead of the 2 agreed with Mrs HALODIN...

Perhaps an Enfield .303 would compliment the .22/.223 LMT?

For 400 smackers you get a .22, then I think it is a no brainer. You get used to the same platform thus increasing your comfort with the set up and you tick all the boxes. Hell if I could do that with my AR (need to check but pretty sure I can) I would be tempted! The shared optics would require re-zeroing after each change of the barrel etc. Would a spare upper with barrel and optic not be a smoother solution in regards to this?

[SevenSixTwo]

Get the LMT 308 - you know you want to.

It's only money.

[HALODIN]

Brave man, that's fighting talk..! I have to say the more indecisive I get, the less I'm prepared to rule anything out

There's 2 things I'd like to happen before I make my decision.

1) Go to the British Shooting Show.
2) Have a look at Spike's Tactical M4's.

At the moment, my brain says LMT LM223SS with the .22 barrel kit, but the heart always has the last say...

Get the LMT 308 - you know you want to.

It's only money.