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Actually you are both wrong: counter-intuitive as it may seem, liberal oiling of the SA80A1/2 working parts in desert/dusty areas is the official ITDU solution to the issues with the rifle jamming in dusty conditions. This solution - along with the MoD actually buying a cleaning kit that cost more than 50 pence - was the outcome of the (in)famous reliability trials conducted after all the A1 issues came to light. As far as I am aware, it is still the Training Small Arms Pam whatever instruction - so still current practice.Scotsgun wrote: Slathering a gun in oil, in the grit and sand conditions we experienced in Gulf 1! What sort of dick wouldn't realise that it would become a sand magnet?
Scotsgun; you seem to be commenting with authority, but on the wrong war. During Gulf1 you had the benefit of the entire 1 (BR) Corps being cannibalised to produce the Div(-) that took the field. At that time, UK still had large stocks of ammo and material. Unfortunately, by Gulf2 (Op Telic), the mob stocks had been disposed of to save money, and Bliar's government had deliberately not allowed MoD to build up war stocks in the run up to the war. Consequently, British forces went into the invasion chronically short of all types of uniform, armour, ammunition & equipment. The regiment I attached to IIRC had received about 100 rounds of 9mm, which was distributed to those officers and medics carrying pistols. As I had joined late from another task where I had de-bombed, it was necessary to take two rounds of 9mm off each medic in order to give me one mag of ammunition. As I regarded this as insufficient firepower with which to invade a hostile country, I borrowed a rifle from an RTA casualty. At this stage, there was only about 20 rounds per man available for late joiners. There were only a handful of grenades and illum per sub-unit. Luckily, it was only the Iraqis we were up against... Your later Telic tour will have been after the MoD belatedly started buying in kit, so you would have been flush by that stage.Scotsgun wrote: Only issued a handful of rounds - what was this craphat operating, a typewriter? There was bloody mountains of ammo. And as to running around with a kits-parts AK.....no-one would appreciate an AK letting rip nearby. You listen out for the distinctive AK in order to locate the direction of in-coming fire. Someone's been taking a leaf out of an episode of 'Dads Army.'
Sherry - don't touch the stuff! sign01Rearlugs wrote:Scotsgun and Sandgroper, thanks for your comments!
Looks like at least one of you was on the Sherry at the time of posting. Nothing wrong with that of course....
Actually you are both wrong: counter-intuitive as it may seem, liberal oiling of the SA80A1/2 working parts in desert/dusty areas is the official ITDU solution to the issues with the rifle jamming in dusty conditions. This solution - along with the MoD actually buying a cleaning kit that cost more than 50 pence - was the outcome of the (in)famous reliability trials conducted after all the A1 issues came to light. As far as I am aware, it is still the Training Small Arms Pam whatever instruction - so still current practice.Scotsgun wrote: Slathering a gun in oil, in the grit and sand conditions we experienced in Gulf 1! What sort of dick wouldn't realise that it would become a sand magnet?
I'm not as polite as Sandgroper. Stop talking bollox :55:Rearlugs wrote: Blah, blah, blah.....
Probably not a good idea in a war zone.Way back in 1976 when the issue rifle was the SLR we were taught in training to actualy set the parts out in the sun after cleaning so as to sweat off any excess oil. The logic being that oil will hold dust and sand.
Does that mean that someone that has fired a few rounds in action becomes a weapons expert. And knows more about weapons and how to clean shoot and maintain them than the ones that design them for example. I know guys in the army have no interest in firearms and couldn't hit a barn door.Read all the dumbf you want. The difference is that some have actually used them in action.
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