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Sorry just remembered you wanted something in the picture for scale. A pound coin fits perfectly inside the inner black ring. The outer black ring is 1".

TOP LEFT ~ .562" -.22 = .342" group x (100/25) = 1.368 moa
BOTTOM LEFT ~ .401" -.22 = .181" group x (100/25) = .724 moa
TOP RIGHT ~ .319" -.22 = .099" group x (100/25) = .396 moa
BOTTOM RIGHT ~ .326" -.22 = .106" group x (100/25) = .424 moa

I might have been able to do better with a higher mag scope. Above was shot with x6 mag.

HALODIN wrote:Sorry just remembered you wanted something in the picture for scale. A pound coin fits perfectly inside the inner black ring. The outer black ring is 1".

TOP LEFT ~ .562" -.22 = .342" group x (100/25) = 1.368 moa
BOTTOM LEFT ~ .401" -.22 = .181" group x (100/25) = .724 moa
TOP RIGHT ~ .319" -.22 = .099" group x (100/25) = .396 moa
BOTTOM RIGHT ~ .326" -.22 = .106" group x (100/25) = .424 moa

I might have been able to do better with a higher mag scope. Above was shot with x6 mag.

That's perfect Halodin, Thanks!

Am literally talking to Wayne @ NWCP about the possibility of building something and putting a quote together...

This is very good to see, particularly top left clapclap

Good times!

No worries, I assumed those results weren't good enough for you and that you'd already decided on a Raven.

What was particularly good about top left? That was the worst...

TattooedGun wrote:That's perfect Halodin, Thanks!

Am literally talking to Wayne @ NWCP about the possibility of building something and putting a quote together...

This is very good to see, particularly top left clapclap

Good times!

HALODIN wrote:No worries, I assumed those results weren't good enough for you and that you'd already decided on a Raven.

What was particularly good about top left? That was the worst...

TattooedGun wrote:That's perfect Halodin, Thanks!

Am literally talking to Wayne @ NWCP about the possibility of building something and putting a quote together...

This is very good to see, particularly top left clapclap

Good times!

Brain fart... meant top right... haha!
<0.5 MOA is fantastic and more than useable providing I can do my part...! :)

Out of interest, did you go straight from putting up the match bullet groups to the copper washed...?

May have been that the lead in the barrel was the cause for top left being a bit wider, as the lead in the barrel got replaced for the copper...?

No there's 26 shots between those 2 targets. I cherry picked the targets to show you what the gun can do, there were a few shots in there that I'd like to remain private...

I have to say I was surprised the Fiocchi out shot the RWS, I didn't think that would be the case. In my Match 54 the RWS hits the centre of the inner small circle every time, it's almost boring.

So it sounds like a precision .22 AR is a done deal...

TattooedGun wrote:Brain fart... meant top right... haha!
<0.5 MOA is fantastic and more than useable providing I can do my part...! :)

Out of interest, did you go straight from putting up the match bullet groups to the copper washed...?

May have been that the lead in the barrel was the cause for top left being a bit wider, as the lead in the barrel got replaced for the copper...?

HALODIN wrote:No there's 26 shots between those 2 targets. I cherry picked the targets to show you what the gun can do, there were a few shots in there that I'd like to remain private...

I have to say I was surprised the Fiocchi out shot the RWS, I didn't think that would be the case. In my Match 54 the RWS hits the centre of the inner small circle every time, it's almost boring.

So it sounds like a precision .22 AR is a done deal...

TattooedGun wrote:Brain fart... meant top right... haha!
<0.5 MOA is fantastic and more than useable providing I can do my part...! :)

Out of interest, did you go straight from putting up the match bullet groups to the copper washed...?

May have been that the lead in the barrel was the cause for top left being a bit wider, as the lead in the barrel got replaced for the copper...?

Just gotta get a variation sorted and save some cash, but hopefully get the order in early 2015.

Got a couple more enquiries to make now I've had a quote back from NWCP. Mark Bradley and Paul Oglesby spring to mind. and Then I'll decide which to go with.

Wishlist looks as follows:

UBR ® Collapsible Stock - OD
MOE+® Grip - OD
AFG-2® - Angled Fore Grip - OD
9" rail
Billet Receivers
Geissele Match Rifle Adjustable Trigger
Heavy 'Bull Profile' Barrel - black to match rifle - 16" - Threaded
MBUS ® - Magpul ® Back-Up Sights - OD
3 x 20-30rd magazines

First quote from NWCP included an M4 profile barrel, but that really doesn't float my boat as A. I will never be putting an iron sight on the barrel and B. I'll never be mounting a grenade launcher on the rifle...! It seems Wayne gets his barrels pre-chambered from the states and assembles, so I believe it would cost slightly more to have a bull barrel profile as it would be a custom job in this country. He didn't specify how much extra this could cost, but I'm guessing it would take the cost considerably past my "imaginary" budget for such a rifle.

Got some more calls to make later today...

Sounds like a plan, although I find it hard to believe you won't fit a grenade launcher... Heathen!

I'm no expert so please take the following as my opinion, not trying to tell you what to do smile2

With a UBR, Billet Receivers and Bull barrel that going to be one heavy rifle. With a scope that's easily going to top 10lbs.
My ST22 hates match grade ammo and I understand that this isn't uncommon for these type of rifles. Are you going to get the benefit out of a bull barrel?
MBUS are next to useless as a sight and therefore only cosmetic. That's fine if that what you want but for the sake of £70 or £80, I'd save your money.
The trend for rails if definitely the longer the better at the moment but in IMHO a 9" rail on a 16" barrel is too short. A 12" rail will look a lot better. If you are intending to use iron sights it will also give you a longer sight radius.
I've read that Geissele don't recommend their triggers for 22lr conversion as they have a tendency to break hammers.

Cheers

ulaughingatmymule wrote:I'm no expert so please take the following as my opinion, not trying to tell you what to do smile2

With a UBR, Billet Receivers and Bull barrel that going to be one heavy rifle. With a scope that's easily going to top 10lbs.

I think the overall difference between forged and billet receivers is around 3 oz from what I've read, which is negligible.

The "heavy" UBR stock will help to counter the heavy bull barrel and (hopefully) make it more balanced.

ulaughingatmymule wrote: My ST22 hates match grade ammo and I understand that this isn't uncommon for these type of rifles. Are you going to get the benefit out of a bull barrel?

I'll be trying a lot of different ammo to see what it likes best and stick with that, it might turn out to be match ammo, it might turn out to be something else, whatever batch of ammo fits with the barrel, I'm sure it probably makes no difference on this calibre, but A. I like the looks of a heavy solid barrel, and B. They seem more durable generally. Could be worse, I could have gone 20"!

ulaughingatmymule wrote: MBUS are next to useless as a sight and therefore only cosmetic. That's fine if that what you want but for the sake of £70 or £80, I'd save your money.

Good point... however, you say that and I was shooting in Czech Republic this weekend and a chap had them on his Sig 551, he was hitting the target the same as the rest of us, so I'm not sure they're *that* useless, especially as a "back-up" sight. However, upon reflection, I think an offset backup sight set might be A. Cooler, and B. more useful.

ulaughingatmymule wrote: The trend for rails if definitely the longer the better at the moment but in IMHO a 9" rail on a 16" barrel is too short. A 12" rail will look a lot better. If you are intending to use iron sights it will also give you a longer sight radius.

I had only really given this thought yesterday if I'm honest when looking at the rifles online and seeing how much barrel follows the rail.
I went 9" as it's a good mid-length starting point. 12" might be the option. I think this may be something that I modify/change out if it looks off, but as I say, good starting point.

ulaughingatmymule wrote: I've read that Geissele don't recommend their triggers for 22lr conversion as they have a tendency to break hammers.

Cheers

Do you have a link to this...? I'm interested to learn more...

Thanks for your input. certainly a few things to think about...! :)

Roger at SYSS is now doing some CMMG and Tactical Solution .22lr rifles, might be an option??

http://www.rimfiremagic.co.uk/index.htm
http://www.rimfiremagic.co.uk/new_firearms.html

Alan