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Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:22 pm
by Gaz
The referee form has this to say about eligibility to act as a referee:
You must be resident in Great Britain. Members of the applicant's immediate family, registered firearms dealers, serving police officers and police employees may not act as referees except as set out below in Note 4. A referee should be of good character. A reference should be given freely and not on payment.
[Note 4]
If the application is made in respect of a renewal of a firearm certificate for a firearm for target shooting then one referee must be a club official of the approved club named on the applicant's firearm certificate. Dealers may act as referees in these circumstances. The second referee must not be a member of any target shooting club. For the grant of a certificate it is not essential that one of the referees is a club official.
So for the grant of a certificate, you need two referees, but only one may be a member of a club. Is that right?
Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:31 pm
by ovenpaa
For the initial grant you need two referees and they need not be involved with a shooting club or even shooting. For a renewal for target rifles one referee should be a club official, the other can be again not involved with shooting.
Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 6:58 pm
by IainWR
For a grant, they could both be members of clubs, or one could, or neither. For a renewal, one must and one must not.
Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:11 pm
by rox
IainWR wrote:For a grant, they could both be members of clubs
How does that tally with "The second referee must not be a member of any target shooting club" (in the case of an application for the grant of a certificate for the purpose of target shooting)?
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Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:17 pm
by IainWR
That appplies to a renewal, not to a grant.
Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:57 pm
by rox
IainWR wrote:That appplies to a renewal, not to a grant.
Really? So you're saying that the *unconditional* sentence "The second referee
must not be a member of any target shooting club." actually means "The second referee
may or may not be a member of any target shooting club
(we don't give a sh1t)."
Why do the words say the opposite?
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Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:08 pm
by Harrier1980
There is a difference between the initial grant, (2 references, can be anyone, member or not of a club) and the renewal (2 references, one must be a club official, and one must not be a club member)
Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:09 pm
by IainWR
rox wrote:IainWR wrote:That appplies to a renewal, not to a grant.
Really? So you're saying that the *unconditional* sentence "The second referee
must not be a member of any target shooting club." actually means "The second referee
may or may not be a member of any target shooting club
(we don't give a sh1t)."
Why do the words say the opposite?
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The quote is incomplete. There is an entire paragraph before the one quoted that deals with grants.
Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:17 pm
by rox
IainWR wrote:rox wrote:IainWR wrote:That appplies to a renewal, not to a grant.
Really? So you're saying that the *unconditional* sentence "The second referee
must not be a member of any target shooting club." actually means "The second referee
may or may not be a member of any target shooting club
(we don't give a sh1t)."
Why do the words say the opposite?
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The quote is incomplete. There is an entire paragraph before the one quoted that deals with grants.
Sorry, I must be thick, but I'm struggling to see this incomplete part. Please quote the part which states that the second referee may be a member of a target shooting club.
Thanks!
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Re: Referee question
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:33 pm
by Harrier1980
Harrier1980 wrote:There is a difference between the initial grant, (2 references, can be anyone, member or not of a club) and the renewal (2 references, one must be a club official, and one must not be a club member)
I thought this summed it up?