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Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 5:44 pm
by bally796
Hi
I was looking at the Euroarms Rogers and Spencer London Grey and the Uberti 1858 New Army Stainless Steel why is their such a bid difference in price? is the euroarms a lot better quality.
Cheers bally
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Sat May 24, 2014 7:14 pm
by fred2892
Not at all, unless you're looking at the walther barrelled r&s. The r&s is a much better design though. It has a larger grip frame for a start. The rem is quite small and will give you a knuckle rap with anything approaching a decent charge. The r&s has much bigger nipple cut outs on the cylinder making it 10 times easier to get the caps on. It is much less prone to allowing spent caps into gaps and locking up the cylinder and finally the cylinder arbour is sealed much better on the r&s so you can shoot for much longer without stripping down for cleaning. I would quite happily pay more for an r&s than a rem. I've owned both models and I only have one of them now.
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 2:24 pm
by Jack 1
Fred 2892.
Thanks for that post I'm' actually trying (very hard) to get hold of the R&S and even harder with adjustable sights. I have seen one converted to shoot Bullseye but I'm not sure if that would work. The write up says it need 14.2 grains of Bullseye behind a .44 ball which seems a lot.
Also Kranks told me Euroarms are not making the R&S any more so, they may command a higher price.
Anybody got ideas on the nitro conversion aspect?
Best
Jack
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Sun May 25, 2014 4:28 pm
by 1066
WoW! 14.2 grains of Bullseye does sound a lot I would double check that. My target load in my .357 pistol was 3.6 grains of Bullseye and the .44 Remington nitro conversion I was having a look at yesterday had a recommended load of 4.2 grains of Herco, slower than Bullseye but by too much.
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:32 pm
by Jack 1
Yes, thanks for that 1066. My thoughts entirely. I'm now going for a Euroarms Rogers and Spencer traditional .44 and use triple 7 powder. I understand something like 11 grains. Anybody got suggestions on the load if so I appreciate them?
Thanks again
Best
Jack
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:39 pm
by bally796
This is the only one I have seen
http://www.henrykrank.com/index.php?mai ... ts_id=7078 and the cost of the Uberti 1858 New Army Stainless Steel
http://www.henrykrank.com/index.php?mai ... ts_id=7115 big price difference
Cheers Bally
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 4:57 pm
by Jack 1
Hi Bally
Got an option on a R&S London Grey with target sights @ £450 ish. I thought the answer to comps would be a Lothar Walther barrel but, the way the standard shoots 11.2 grains of 777 that looks OK.
What I have seen are anatomical sights but can't hunt any down on the interweb. In the good old days we had Bowler grips but I don't suppose any of you guys would remember them. Only us old pharts and Jurassic handgunners.
Best
Jack
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:08 pm
by dromia
I still have the Bowlers from my Webley break barrel, single shot, 22 target pistol.
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:12 pm
by bally796
fred2892 wrote:Not at all, unless you're looking at the walther barrelled r&s. The r&s is a much better design though. It has a larger grip frame for a start. The rem is quite small and will give you a knuckle rap with anything approaching a decent charge. The r&s has much bigger nipple cut outs on the cylinder making it 10 times easier to get the caps on. It is much less prone to allowing spent caps into gaps and locking up the cylinder and finally the cylinder arbour is sealed much better on the r&s so you can shoot for much longer without stripping down for cleaning. I would quite happily pay more for an r&s than a rem. I've owned both models and I only have one of them now.
Thanks for that.
Bally
Re: Rogers and Spencer
Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 5:29 pm
by 1066
Jack 1 wrote:Hi Bally
Got an option on a R&S London Grey with target sights @ £450 ish. I thought the answer to comps would be a Lothar Walther barrel but, the way the standard shoots 11.2 grains of 777 that looks OK.
What I have seen are anatomical sights but can't hunt any down on the interweb. In the good old days we had Bowler grips but I don't suppose any of you guys would remember them. Only us old pharts and Jurassic handgunners.
Best
Jack
Just a thought if you are thinking about competitions. Using adjustable sight you may have to shoot in an "open" class rather than just BP revolver class.
I had a nice Bowler grip on my S&W Mod 14 .38spec revolver.
