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Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2014 10:49 pm
by Chuck
Spotted this in the local gunshop today. Looks a bit plasticky - but don't they all.
http://catusarms.com/en/catus_en_firma.html
http://catusarms.com/en/catus_en_urunler.html
A bit of a mix and the web page is ages old. Seems ammo specific (they actually specify which ammo) and it is a .36cal (though they are making the same mistake as Safir and stamping it as 36/.410 which are not really the same), so it's maybe meant for the home market here and probably of little use in the UK.
Might be a wee fun gun with slugs and steels though.
Ammo spec's:
In order to achieve maximum results, we recommend the use of 14gr Federal, Remington, Mirage and Bornaghi brand cartridges.
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:50 am
by greenshoots
always fancied an automatic .410 and make the brass out of .303 cases
greenshoots
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:17 am
by Dellboy
no uk importer i suppose ?
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:47 am
by Sim G
"Please Note
Testing has proven that the “B2 36” has an effective range of 200 metres. The performance of our shotgun will produce great results for boar game at 100 metres and at 50 metres for flying game such as quail and partridge"
Oh, really......
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:39 am
by Polchraine
Chuck wrote:
A bit of a mix and the web page is ages old. Seems ammo specific (they actually specify which ammo) and it is a .36cal (though they are making the same mistake as Safir and stamping it as 36/.410 which are not really the same), so it's maybe meant for the home market here and probably of little use in the UK.
Have come across the .410 being called 36 gauge/bore many times in the past. 36 bore is around 0.5057" or 12.84mm and .410 equates to 67 or 68 bore. How/why did this confusion come about.
A .36 cal would actually be 100 bore!
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:59 am
by Sandgroper
Polchraine wrote:
Have come across the .410 being called 36 gauge/bore many times in the past. 36 bore is around 0.5057" or 12.84mm and .410 equates to 67 or 68 bore. How/why did this confusion come about.
A .36 cal would actually be 100 bore!
Have a read -
http://www.fourten.org.uk/36gauge.html
Edit: To cut to the chase -
3 - sometimes in the 20's, someone at CIP (mistery, probably a swiss or a german..) probably thought of making an ordered and esthetically pleasant set up...since they had 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28 and 32, why not calling the next smaller (and only remaining) caliber 36 (a precise 4 step).
Later they reversed to using the correct .410, but the industry had already started using the two names.
There are some 1920's catalogs from Fiocchi and Dynamit Nobel using both 36 and .410 for the same shell.
4 - In the 1961, CIP officialized .410 as the only correct name, but in 1969 added 36 in parenthesis on the dimensional tables.
Basically, they were acknowledging the situation.
5 - The confusion never died, because the french kept calling the 32 gauge 14mm, the .410bore 12mm and they added the .360, calling it 9mm (later to become a rimfire, with the name of Flobert...awesome story too).
In Italy and other european countries used 36 gauge for the shorter .410 (2 and 2 1/2" long) and .410 for the 3" long, also called 36 Magnum.
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:32 pm
by Polchraine
Total confusion: by calculation 32 gauge is 13.36mm and 28 gauge is 13.97mm. 9 mm is 104/105 gauge
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:44 pm
by Sandgroper
Polchraine wrote:Total confusion: by calculation 32 gauge is 13.36mm and 28 gauge is 13.97mm. 9 mm is 104/105 gauge
Agreed it's confusing, but by convention, .410 is 36 cal and vice versa.
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2014 12:47 pm
by dromia
No wonder when they corrupt and b@stardise good effective Imperial measurements with that malignant metric system.
Re: Magazine fed .410 semi auto
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:54 am
by Chuck
.36 is a (somewhat obscure) European calibre whereas .410 is - for want of a better description - American! They are NOT the same as these wee finicky semi autos will soon tell you.
That was the problem with the Safir: the .410 and 36 WERE decidely different as many people found out the hard way. It was intended to specify .410 ONLY for the UK but it never happened
One thing for sure, that wee slug packs a wallop at short range but maybe not for things like boar.