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Seems to work better than 1887's too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrIEnhWQrH0

Seems like a good way to have short barrel repeating shotties again guys. Seems to be spooking all the crybabies in Australia if you're led to believe also. They forget that they've had lever action shotties there for years.

I just threw up in my mouth a little...not a nice looking bit of kit.
Even that Mossberg pump with the chainsaw handle was less fugly

I know, but just think of it Saddler. A Turkish company has made fools of the shotgun section in the 1988 act. Its comical when you think of it.

While you're here is there any word on your Connecticutt venture?

snayperskaya wrote:While you're here is there any word on your Connecticutt venture?

Good question and the answer is.... yes and no. Last message I heard last week. The end of the month is likely unveiling. I wonder if he is busy as I've sent him some messages and he's not replied, which leads me to believe. Yes he's busy, doing that thing that we all dread called "work". Hopefully, something will come later this week or next. I'll tell you all when I can as I'd have let you know. Things take time. I'm as eager as everyone else is to get the show on the road, especially as its in his benefit as much as anyone else's.

Sixshot6 wrote:I know, but just think of it Saddler. A Turkish company has made fools of the shotgun section in the 1988 act. Its comical when you think of it.

I have to ask - just what does the shotgun section of the 1988 Act say? And how does this gun affect it? (and I agree, it is kinda ugly....).

Browning_grrl wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:I know, but just think of it Saddler. A Turkish company has made fools of the shotgun section in the 1988 act. Its comical when you think of it.

I have to ask - just what does the shotgun section of the 1988 Act say? And how does this gun affect it? (and I agree, it is kinda ugly....).

Good question Browning girl and I'll answer it here.

Essentially the 1988 act as the knee jerk response to Michael Ryan the Hungerford spree killer who used a norinco 56 ak type. Center fire semi's were banned as were pump actions (despite one not being used) and some laws messing around with shotguns brought in.

the law in nutshell now says for section 2 shotguns (shotgun cert shotguns) no more than 2 shots (2+1) so mostly for double barrels and some semis and pumps but they are restricted to 2 shots in the mag. Barrel length has to be 24 inches and OAL 40 inches. For Section 1 FAC shotties its as many as they can hold (we have Saigas with drums mags), but barrels for pumps and semis are 24 inches and OAL of 40 inches. Here is the kicker, that only applies to semis and pumps. So a double barrel, single barrel, bolt action or lever action (not revolving shotties, they are 100% banned sadly) can have the the uk legal min of 12 inches and 24 inch OAL in theory. This is why you see winchester 1887 repros with 22 inch barrels. My argument was this... would be treated no differently to the 1887 repros. Did that clear things up at all?

Sixshot6 wrote: Did that clear things up at all?

Oddly enough... yes, it did. Thanks. :) A 'supplementary' though, if I may - are the barrel lengths and OAL's regulated the same way whether or not the gun was factory made to a given length (of either), or whether it was altered after-market?

(e.g., here, I can readily and legally buy a Dominion Arms Grizzly with an 8 1/2 barrel, because it is made that way and meets the OAL requirement of 26", but if I shorten a barrel myself, I can't go below 18 1/2" or I create a restricted gun.)

Browning_grrl wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote: Did that clear things up at all?

Oddly enough... yes, it did. Thanks. :) A 'supplementary' though, if I may - are the barrel lengths and OAL's regulated the same way whether or not the gun was factory made to a given length (of either), or whether it was altered after-market?

(e.g., here, I can readily and legally buy a Dominion Arms Grizzly with an 8 1/2 barrel, because it is made that way and meets the OAL requirement of 26", but if I shorten a barrel myself, I can't go below 18 1/2" or I create a restricted gun.)

With long arms like rifles, it has to be made to the OAL, so you can't take a long arm under than length and then lengthen it. It stays section 5. Though through some legal quirk with shotguns you seem to get things like Short barrel mossberg's brought in and lengthed by a brake being welded. I stopped trying to understand it a while back. I have friends in Alberta just thought I'd add. How is the dominion Arms Grizzly? That is also one of the few mag fed shotguns you can use in canada right? I have seen some valtro PM5 ans LA 12 bullpup semi auto (no good for me as a lefty). I guess you can't have Saiga's due to them being "AK" variants (I know that the valmet hunter and M78 including the rare 7.62x39 models are the only legal AK variants in Canada, which is why VZ's are popular).

I'm not really up on all the regs for some of that stuff (I'm really a hunter much more than a 'shooter'...) but I think you're right about the removable mags on shotguns. I think they usually have the same limits as yours (2+1), but I think that's because of hunting laws, not gun laws. I don't know much about semis generally, coz I really haven't used one of any description since I left the Service 45 years ago..... (!!) I don't own a Grizzly, but I have shot one a few times - interesting gun, but I wouldn't have any use for it. I made up my own bear-defence gun by cutting down (legally! ) an old Baikal 20 ga that I had. It's very handy coz taken down it fits inside my canoe-pack easily -





I'm heading to Alberta later this year for a crack at Bighorn Sheep. (It's a long way from where I am - almost as far as the UK is the other way!!)