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Oh dear......it looks as though they received the latest Tapco brochure and went daft with the Rubles!!!

I just knew you'd go down that route Snayperskaya - "accessories are us". Take something that's reliable and add problems as required

If it isn't broke don't fix it Tovarisch

What's wrong with the older folding polymer stock with the cleaning kit in the butt and the tried and tested ironsights that don't break and a kid can use?.Progress for the sake of methinks.......

If it's working well do not disassemble to find out why!

Well, its cheaper than going straight to AK 12's and the setup allows for some kind of transition. The grip looks almost an Scorpion grip to be fair instead of tapco stuff.

Plus as I said earlier, a full change to the AK 12 is way off, procurement is happening but given how things are financially it makes sense to do this rather than jump straight in, hit the concrete floor and have a load of unused and still serviceable AK74's. Plus desires for stuff change, look at what us, the American's and everyone else worth their salt uses. Plus that rifle in the picture looks likes its been road tested to near destruction, the ones that will enter service will not likely be that rough.

An AK looks better the rougher it gets!.The AK-12 will be issued to Spetnaz and some OMON units first, same as when the 74 came out, but a lot of Russian special forces troopers prefer the AK-103 and 104 in 7.62x39 as the old M43 round still hits harder in a CQB.
The AN-94 Abakan, designed by Gennadiy Nikonov, is also in limited use by Spetsnaz, OMON and FSB forces but despite being a very good design with negligible recoil and a system that allowed a second round to leave the barrel before the recoil of the first is felt it didn't reach widespread use due to it being very complex to mass produce.

snayperskaya wrote:An AK looks better the rougher it gets!.The AK-12 will be issued to Spetnaz and some OMON units first, same as when the 74 came out, but a lot of Russian special forces troopers prefer the AK-103 and 104 in 7.62x39 as the old M43 round still hits harder in a CQB.
The AN-94 Abakan, designed by Gennadiy Nikonov, is also in limited use by Spetsnaz, OMON and FSB forces but despite being a very good design with negligible recoil and a system that allowed a second round to leave the barrel before the recoil of the first is felt it didn't reach widespread use due to it being very complex to mass produce.

Ah, the AN-94, another good gun before (or after) it's time depending on who you ask. I didn't realize that the second round left before the recoil was felt, no wonder it has a 2 round burst. What is reported accuracy like on the 2 round burst then?

Sixshot6 wrote:

snayperskaya wrote:An AK looks better the rougher it gets!.The AK-12 will be issued to Spetnaz and some OMON units first, same as when the 74 came out, but a lot of Russian special forces troopers prefer the AK-103 and 104 in 7.62x39 as the old M43 round still hits harder in a CQB.
The AN-94 Abakan, designed by Gennadiy Nikonov, is also in limited use by Spetsnaz, OMON and FSB forces but despite being a very good design with negligible recoil and a system that allowed a second round to leave the barrel before the recoil of the first is felt it didn't reach widespread use due to it being very complex to mass produce.

Ah, the AN-94, another good gun before (or after) it's time depending on who you ask. I didn't realize that the second round left before the recoil was felt, no wonder it has a 2 round burst. What is reported accuracy like on the 2 round burst then?

Accuracy very good by all accounts and the two round feature was primarily to defeat body armour, with two rounds hitting pretty much the same spot in rapid succession.

snayperskaya wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:

snayperskaya wrote:An AK looks better the rougher it gets!.The AK-12 will be issued to Spetnaz and some OMON units first, same as when the 74 came out, but a lot of Russian special forces troopers prefer the AK-103 and 104 in 7.62x39 as the old M43 round still hits harder in a CQB.
The AN-94 Abakan, designed by Gennadiy Nikonov, is also in limited use by Spetsnaz, OMON and FSB forces but despite being a very good design with negligible recoil and a system that allowed a second round to leave the barrel before the recoil of the first is felt it didn't reach widespread use due to it being very complex to mass produce.

Ah, the AN-94, another good gun before (or after) it's time depending on who you ask. I didn't realize that the second round left before the recoil was felt, no wonder it has a 2 round burst. What is reported accuracy like on the 2 round burst then?

Accuracy very good by all accounts and the two round feature was primarily to defeat body armour, with two rounds hitting pretty much the same spot in rapid succession.

If its the 7N6 round (the one that was banned from US import last year for all the pantomime reasons I can't be asked to discuss right now) then most definitely on the body armour bit. I'm just surprised we haven't seen any youtube vids of reproductions of the retrofitted 74's right now. I do like how the brake can also double up as moderator though, plus the oil can in the pistol grip is a great touch.