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FAC Conditions
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:41 am
by toffe wrapper
Hi
I have just got back my FAC after adding a S1 Shotgun & slug ammunition
The only conditions it say on the certificate is
The firearms and ammunition shall only be used for target shooting, and only whilst a member of a Home Office approved club, and on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim.
Does this mean I can shoot practical shotgun & clays or just target shotgun? it is a very vague condition.
TW
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:44 am
by ordnance
You could say practical shotgun is a form of target shooting.
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:02 am
by IainWR
ordnance wrote:You could say practical shotgun is a form of target shooting.
The NRA definition of TS incldes practical as a subset.
Since S1 shotguns are outside the Home Office Approval scheme, I'm a bit surprised by the club condition.
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:07 am
by saddler
See my other posts about this - esp. the CLAYS condition - they have FAILED to read the Guidance notes as clays MUST be automatically added with granting a S.1 shotgun
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:12 am
by toffe wrapper
I thought it would cover PS I asked for PS, clays & target shooting.
The wording of the condition is the same one that I have always had regardless of what firearms I have held.
I read it at as target shooting so any target Clay, paper, steel
TW
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:18 am
by saddler
Home Office Guidelines give examples of the correct condition wordings for each of the above....
They seem to have not read the Guidance notes
What force are you under?
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:48 pm
by zanes
I'm guessing Glos, as this is very similar sounding to mine from memory.
PSG is indeed shooting at targets IMHO.
Clays are a separate named condition- I mentioned it on my covering letter (as a reminder that I was entitled to it as per HO guidance) and got it no trouble.
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 7:33 am
by Blackstuff
IMO the vagueness is a bonus, better than the normal S1 shotgun conditions that limit you to shooting courses of fire certified by a 'qualified' member of UKPSA/NRA/BWSS etc
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:37 pm
by toffe wrapper
Blackstuff
I am in agreement it is a bonus.
As clays is an automatic condition and nothing is on the cert to say I can't it would be very hard to say I am in the wrong.
As long as I only shoot the ammunition on the cert on ranges approved for that ammo.
Use the firearms on ranges approved for that firearm.
Only at targets not live quarry I am meeting the condition.
Re: FAC Conditions
Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 4:46 pm
by saddler
toffe wrapper wrote:Blackstuff
As clays is an automatic condition and nothing is on the cert to say I can't it would be very hard to say I am in the wrong.
....,but NOTHING on the cert. to say clays IS allowed
Check with the clay ground in question = some may not allow S.1 shotguns to be used UNLESS the condition for clays IS on the FAC
Stupid rules - but what do you expect in the UK??