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For my next purchase I'm trying to decide on an indoor range muzzleloading pistol

I'm thinking of either

a Westlake Armscor M200 nitro .357 (which I already have permission for)

Or

Pietta cattleman .44 with nitro (smokeless) conversion cylinder (variation required and probably double the price of the Armscor Inc new cylinder)

Looking for views.

Thanks in advance

PM me if you're interested in an Uberti Cattleman, 7.5" barrel, mint, with a spare set of nipples that allows the use of shotgun primers. Not mine, but a mates. Think he's looking for the 250 mark.

Not a sales thread, just a shout up because of the two choices you stated.

I have a Westlake Armscor .38 Nitro & a Cattleman .44 Nitro Conversion.
Both of them need to be loaded with the cylinder out & the Armscor cylinder gets tighter to load (read as dirtier a full of cr@p) way before the Cattleman does which is shooting round ball.
I believe Alan tapers his cylinders to make his own hollow skirt bullets the best fit however I'm using some bought from Shellhouse & just loading them backwards

They are different beasts really & I couldn't choose so I bought both

Before Dromia posts about them being an abomination I do have a Ruger Old Army shooting propper powder

i've just bought a alfa, one look at the armscor and it was alfa all the way. not shot it yet though :(

Alan had a stainless 2" snub alfa that he showed me. man that thing looked awesome! I think one of those will prob be being requested soon!

I love my cattlemen (uberti and armi san marco) but the alfa does look a lot easier to load for (I assume this would transfer to the armscor too).

the pietta cattlemen that A&A are getting in, along with the kershaw cylinders do look rather nice, although the kershaw cylinders are only proofed to 1.8gr bullseye, so you aren't close to shooting a 44spl load or anything. whereas the Westlakes are 38spl loads with a 140gr HBWC

You also need to consider the Remington 1858 conversation from Anvil Arms. Derek of Anvil has a beautiful product, the quality of the workmanship and finished results is better than when it left the factory. It new cylinder is proofed to 4.95 grains of Herco, so does give you a full bang out of a .44 ball.
I have the 5.5" and have just ordered a second to have an identical pair.
Using shotgun primers, and being able to load without removing the cyclinder makes it very easy.

It is also very accurate and really fun to shoot.

qws wrote:You also need to consider the Remington 1858 conversation from Anvil Arms. Derek of Anvil has a beautiful product, the quality of the workmanship and finished results is better than when it left the factory. It new cylinder is proofed to 4.95 grains of Herco, so does give you a full bang out of a .44 ball.
I have the 5.5" and have just ordered a second to have an identical pair.
Using shotgun primers, and being able to load without removing the cyclinder makes it very easy.

It is also very accurate and really fun to shoot.

Should of said I already have a Pietta Remington 1858 for blackpowder, not sure If I could just get a nitro cylinder to just drop in to swap over depending on whether I'm shooting indoor or out as a couple of the conversion websites I looked at either state they will only supply the whole gun or I would need to send mine in for them to fit the nitro cylinder?

Morph wrote:
Before Dromia posts about them being an abomination I do have a Ruger Old Army shooting propper powder

I really enjoy smokeless muzzle loading guns, I find the whole concept hugely amusing. Only in the UK with its totally absurd firearms legislation could such contradictions come about.

Personally I far prefer shooting muzzle loading pistols, nitro or black powder, to long barrelled, coathanger crippled revolvers.

Then of course I think if I'm going to shoot m/l revolvers then I'll just stick with the proven original and use BP which also seems to have far more load flexibility, but each to his own and if smokeless m/l revolvers floats your boat and keeps you shooting then good luck to you.