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.356 tsw info required

Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:29 pm
by bradaz11
Hi

anyone got any info on the 356 team Smith Wesson cartridge?

going to be looking if any brass is availiable. I don't mind buying a few hundred now, but ideally I'll be looking for more over time.

anyone got any info in any of their libraries?

Re: .356 tsw info required

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:10 am
by Sim G
Hotrod “9mm major” that the IPSC killed off themselves, if memory serves. Made by Federal, but is brass actually still available?

Re: .356 tsw info required

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:28 am
by bradaz11
Sim G wrote:Hotrod “9mm major” that the IPSC killed off themselves, if memory serves. Made by Federal, but is brass actually still available?
yeah thats what I'm worried about. interestingly spud lists it on his stock list under recolm brass. he is going to enquire about it today for me. If not, it seems some people were using 9mm largo and shortening, or using 9x21 brass and ignoring the slightly shorter length?

the gun is absolutely mint, and I can't imagine wouldn't pass HO panel as it seems like less than 1000 were made by S&W. but that is about all I've been able to find out. I know Ian at forgotten weapons did a video on one of the guns, but mainly focused on the caliber. I know nothing about S&W semi autos, so I don't even know if any other of their guns even share parts or actions etc. or if other mags fit?

there is a 356tsw forum, but that seems pretty defunct

Re: .356 tsw info required

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:30 am
by bradaz11
oh yeah, and thanks to works stupid network filtering, I can't search helpful websites like thehighroad,

Re: .356 tsw info required

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:50 am
by Sim G
I’ll check later when I’m home, but I’m sure the base for the 3566 was the 5906.

Re: .356 tsw info required

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:14 pm
by Sim G
Production, if you could call it that, lasted only a couple of years. All were built in S&Ws Performance Centre and all were distributed by Lew Horton. Stainless slide with titanium bushing and a stainless frame. Frame and slide had enlarged rails. Single action only trigger, with slide mounted safety.

Four models in all, Shorty 3.5" barrel. Compact 4.25" barrel. Tactical also a 4.25" barrel. Limited 5.0" barrel, Bomar Adjustable sights. Compact, Tactical and Limited based on model 5906. 15 round magazines for that model will work. Recoil springs, you may struggle. Even though Wolfe do a 22lb extra power, and it's for the 5900 series 9mm (standard is 14lb). The 5900 series only had the 4.25" barrels as standard.

Only 200 Shorty's made and production for the limited topped 2000. As I can't find figures for the Compact and Tactical, as they were also built by the Performance Centre, may be part of that 2K plus figure.

However, the 952 is a 5" 9mm, so you may be able to find extra power recoil springs for that, which would work. Standard 5906 magazines will work. Despite the case of the TSW being 2.5 made longer, the COAL of the round is that as 9mm para.

Unfortunately though, I don't reckon any other spares bar 5900 grips, would fit. This is as close to a custom gun as you'll get without going to an individual custom 'smith.

Another nice Smith you've found!

Re: .356 tsw info required

Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:41 pm
by bradaz11
and to think I tripped across it while chatting rubbish with the RFD! it was just a case of, sec7? oh, this might interest you!
I have just got off the phone with them after paying a 50% deposit... Don't tell the mrs....

something I read says
This excerpt from a descriptive letter written and signed by Mr Roy Jinks, the S&W historian has some more production number information. Interestingly the number quoted for the 3566 Compact and 3566 Limited production does not match numbers in the letters from Lew Horton, as their records apparently indicate that 386, and 517 respectively were produced, which would give an overall total of 903. This may be why although the total here is listed as 813, there is also an indication that the total is not certain. By adding the 903 Lew Horton guns, the 102 Briley Competitions, the 119 Stocking Dealers, the 177 "Pocket Rocket's" (a 940 chambered for 356TSW), and 100 Super 9's we arrive at total of 1401 handguns manufactured by Smith & Wesson that were chambered for 356TSW
can you tell me where your number of 2k limiteds comes from?

Re: .356 tsw info required

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 9:34 am
by Sim G
Productions numbers for the Shorty are in the “Standard Catalog”. Numbers for the Limited come from the S&W forums. It does seem that the numbers fluctuate from factory to distributors to stocking dealers. 2K may very well be the “catch all” as it seems there can be no more than that made. Regardless, it’s still a very rare gun even where pistols are freely permitted. For me it’s the fact that the whole thing was killed off by the very people it was intended to serve!

Re: .356 tsw info required

Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:30 pm
by bradaz11
I wonder if that includes the 5906 super 9s that came with the extra barrels? That might account for the jump

Nothing like people innovating to adhere to the rules, then moving the goal posts eh?
No one will be able to do all this.. Oh crap you managed it? Well then minimum 40cal