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Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:55 pm
by Mattnall
I'm not sure if I know what I think of this.

One of our members got an email with a link to a survey (copied below), their renewal is coming up at the end of this year, and they have been asked if they would like to participate.

police firearms licensing wrote: FIREARMS LICENSING proof of concept exercise.
*** PLEASE NOTE ***

IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES [THE] POLICE WILL REMAIN THE AUTHORISING AUTHORITY FOR THE RENEWAL OF YOUR CERTIFICATE

[The] police Firearms Licensing is conducting a proof of concept exercise to enhance the efficiency and speed of licence renewals.

We would like to offer you the opportunity to participate in this exercise.

By providing your consent to share your name, email address and renewal date with a third-party company you can be considered for inclusion in this initiative.
Your information will only be shared with the third-party if you choose to participate.

If you opt in, the third-party will contact you to explain the process in detail.

Essentially, you will fill out a single, online form and the third-party will handle all necessary paperwork and information.

The third-party will correlate all the required information, check the forms are correct and then submit your renewal documentation along with the relevant medical report to the firearms licensing to allow the police to process your renewal.

You will receive a copy of the medical report and application form submitted.

Your consent to share information does not obligate you to continue with the third-party for your renewal process, and you can still choose to renew through the normal method.

To indicate your interest in participating, please complete the form below and respond with YES

if you do not wish to participate you do not need to do anything with this form

The Firearms Licensing department remains in control of all legal aspects and suitability decisions throughout the process.
It should be noted the 'third party' is a company "led by a person known to [the] police and his company already provides firearms licensing documentation to us."

I like the idea of having all my docs completed for me, but it's not that hard a job and I like to make sure all the information is correct, but more than that, all my information is in my control (as much as it could be anyway).
It would help to weed out the incorrectly filled out or incomplete forms, but does this take up a lot of the FLD's time?
Perhaps for the older members of our community that are not so computer savvy, this will help.
I hope that the cost of this service is taken from our increased fees and not an added cost to shooters.
Is this the start of out-sourcing the whole process? Now, I could get behind that.

What are your thoughts on this?
Are other forces considering this?

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 7:46 pm
by IainWR
Who is criminally liable for an error? S28A(7) seems to suggest that the third-party company could be. Who's going to take that as a business model?

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 11:34 pm
by Pete
What is the point of this? Maybe planning to let the existing civvy firearms staff go, and sub their work out? I sincerely hope not.
I'm an "older" member of our community, and I haven't had any trouble renewing online in Hampshire.

Pete

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:40 am
by 1066
It sounds to me as if a small group of "soon to be retired" police officers have got together as they see a business opportunity ready for the plucking. Much like ACPO (Private company?) set up the driver improvement and speed awareness courses and rake in a percentage of the fees, NABIS (National Intelligence ballistic service) (Private company?) used by all police forces. Or set up a company to import hand held speed cameras, then make sure every police force uses the "approved" one.

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 7:37 pm
by DammitMissedAgain
I wonder if there's any link-up with the third-party company offering a harmonised FEO training syllabus? I recall mention of them in the minutes of the FELWG meetings.

Personally I think it would be yet another provider who you'd have to trust to keep very sensitive data secure. Fees were supposed to be going up to properly finance police departments, not farm out the work to a privateer.

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:06 pm
by flamoudi
Seems like they are intending to trial a "we'll do it all for you" like the post office checking your passport application and charging for it. Or those chancers online, that lead you to believe it's an official site, but it's an earner for them.
I wonder what the eventual fee that they will have in mind will be?

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:43 am
by Polchraine
Data security

Security clearance for that organisation and individuals

Extra fees


All quickly come to mind ... and as an FEO is supposed to check an application anyway, what extra will they add?

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:17 pm
by MistAgain
I wonder if this bunch are involved ? https://www.mowbraypartners.co.uk/pages/our-story

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2025 5:26 pm
by Lever357
I really cannot see the point of that!

Re: Third party to complete all FAC renewal documentation?

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 11:07 am
by DammitMissedAgain
MistAgain wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:17 pm I wonder if this bunch are involved ? https://www.mowbraypartners.co.uk/pages/our-story
They’re the ones I was thinking of, yeah.