RFDs = ignorant of the law??

[saddler]

Pity about that Benelli, its a beaut! tongueout

Too good for you though Mark, you'd only get it rusty

They DO look nicer with the correct barrel length on!!

I like my Swedish trips - folding stock Rem 870's with 18" barrels to play with

[PaulR]

Here we go:http://www.gunstar.co.uk/Shotgun/BSA-Lo ... 87638.aspx

A 410 with a removable 10-rd mag - in which it IS possible to load more than 2 rds AND by dint of being a removeable magazine, it is s S.1 gun twice over!!
I reported this muppet to the owner of the site. The advert HAD been pulled, but is now back up again....

I had a mate who had a very nice 1918 .410 SMLE on a SG Certificate before Hungerford. The aftermath of that tragedy resulted in a law which banned downward conversion of firearms so once a section 5, always a S5.

It also required that all high capacity magazined shotguns moved to Section 1. This included his SMLE although he could have had the magazine plated by welding the magazine into the mag well and a sheet of metal over the top of the mag which kept it within the S2 classification. All that despite the fact that the .303 mag could NOT take a .410 cartridge anyway so in fact the gun was actually single shot.

He decided that the welding would be further sacrilege not to mention the cost so he gave it to a gunsmith who hopefully rebarreled it and saved it from destruction.

It is a minefield though.

PaulR

[Blackstuff]

Pity about that Benelli, its a beaut! tongueout

Too good for you though Mark, you'd only get it rusty

How RUDE! I'll have you know my 2 Benellis don't have a pick of rust on and i give them a regular oil rub down. Perhaps, too regular....

On another RFD/legality issue - flash hiders; accessory or licenseable part?? Or do you just call them a muzzle brake and forget about it?

Section 57(1)(c) 1968 Firearms Act.

Any accessory designed to reduce sound or flash is controllable.

Now i have heard this before and as several of my rifles have removable 'flash hiders' i contacted my FLD who assured me they classed them as 'accessories'. I also asked them to contact the Home Office, which they allegedly did and they too said they were 'accessories'.

This is the type of thing i'm referring to;

[saddler]

Pity about that Benelli, its a beaut! tongueout

Too good for you though Mark, you'd only get it rusty

How RUDE! I'll have you know my 2 Benellis don't have a pick of rust on and i give them a regular oil rub down. Perhaps, too regular....

On another RFD/legality issue - flash hiders; accessory or licenseable part?? Or do you just call them a muzzle brake and forget about it?

Section 57(1)(c) 1968 Firearms Act.

Any accessory designed to reduce sound or flash is controllable.

Now i have heard this before and as several of my rifles have removable 'flash hiders' i contacted my FLD who assured me they classed them as 'accessories'. I also asked them to contact the Home Office, which they allegedly did and they too said they were 'accessories'.

This is the type of thing i'm referring to;

I'd say that the advice from your FLO & the HO, is in keeping with what I have read - flash-hiders are not a pressure bearing part, so are not restricted.

[paxtond]

At the shooting show one rfd told me he could ship me a mod for my .308 and I just enter on it on own ticket?

Doesn't sound right to me?

[saddler]

At the shooting show one rfd told me he could ship me a mod for my .308 and I just enter on it on own ticket?

Doesn't sound right to me?

Nor me - as it's NOT right

MUST be entered onto an FAC at time of purchase, or sent to another RFD to enter onto the FAC

Exception being airgun moderators, but as your 308 is not likely to be a heavily customised BSA Meteor, then the RFD was talking bollox

The ONLY thing you can legally write on your own FAC = your signature

[Rearlugs]

At the shooting show one rfd told me he could ship me a mod for my .308 and I just enter on it on own ticket?

Doesn't sound right to me?

Nor me - as it's NOT right

MUST be entered onto an FAC at time of purchase, or sent to another RFD to enter onto the FAC

Exception being airgun moderators, but as your 308 is not likely to be a heavily customised BSA Meteor, then the RFD was talking bollox

The ONLY thing you can legally write on your own FAC = your signature

Are you 100% sure about that, and able to quote the relevant clause of the firearms act? Not having a dig, but there are so many "grey" areas of firearms law - and a lot of general assumptions that are not in fact based in law.

I recall a chap who bought a rifle online in USA and had it posted to UK. It turned up at Parcelforce in Gatwick, and Customs called him in to clear & collect. They were happy that it was an import for personal use - he had a slot on his FAC - and handed it over to him. He asked "can you fill in the FAC for me?", and they said "not us; just do it yourself". He called the firearms department, and they told him that was perfectly ok to do....

[saddler]

At the shooting show one rfd told me he could ship me a mod for my .308 and I just enter on it on own ticket?

Doesn't sound right to me?

Nor me - as it's NOT right

MUST be entered onto an FAC at time of purchase, or sent to another RFD to enter onto the FAC

Exception being airgun moderators, but as your 308 is not likely to be a heavily customised BSA Meteor, then the RFD was talking bollox

The ONLY thing you can legally write on your own FAC = your signature

Are you 100% sure about that, and able to quote the relevant clause of the firearms act? Not having a dig, but there are so many "grey" areas of firearms law - and a lot of general assumptions that are not in fact based in law.

I recall a chap who bought a rifle online in USA and had it posted to UK. It turned up at Parcelforce in Gatwick, and Customs called him in to clear & collect. They were happy that it was an import for personal use - he had a slot on his FAC - and handed it over to him. He asked "can you fill in the FAC for me?", and they said "not us; just do it yourself". He called the firearms department, and they told him that was perfectly ok to do....

When I brought my moderator in, on a flight from NZ I had a similar thing
I never filled in the FAC though, I DID however notify the Firearms Dept & they updated my record/file accordingly

I know that posting a moderator is NOT allowed - unlike the good old days when I could buy all sorts of things mail order & just have them sent by Royal Mail to the door

[Chuck]

Just to muddy it.

When I spoke to my lot about bringing in an S1 shotgun from abroad they insisted on the serial number and having it on my FAC BEFORE I did so. Their attitude was that if I arrived without it on my ticket I had no authority to possess it - even though I had a slot for it. Luckily I had the info to hand so it was not a problem. And it was a personal item under the limit so no tax / duty paid.

[Chapuis]

At the shooting show one rfd told me he could ship me a mod for my .308 and I just enter on it on own ticket?

Doesn't sound right to me?

Nor me - as it's NOT right

MUST be entered onto an FAC at time of purchase, or sent to another RFD to enter onto the FAC

Exception being airgun moderators, but as your 308 is not likely to be a heavily customised BSA Meteor, then the RFD was talking bollox

The ONLY thing you can legally write on your own FAC = your signature

Are you 100% sure about that, and able to quote the relevant clause of the firearms act? Not having a dig, but there are so many "grey" areas of firearms law - and a lot of general assumptions that are not in fact based in law.

I recall a chap who bought a rifle online in USA and had it posted to UK. It turned up at Parcelforce in Gatwick, and Customs called him in to clear & collect. They were happy that it was an import for personal use - he had a slot on his FAC - and handed it over to him. He asked "can you fill in the FAC for me?", and they said "not us; just do it yourself". He called the firearms department, and they told him that was perfectly ok to do....

I was told to do the same with a rifle that I purchased in France.