A couple of extras on my Vepr 12

[breacher]

Went with an AR type stock combined with AK grenade launcher buttpad.

Hogue grip.

And improvised peepsight / ghost ring on the rail.

[Dangermouse]

Would look good with a shorter barrel and muzzlembreak on.

Like the look of the stock and pistol grip but wonder how good the cheek positioning will be,

DM

[breacher]

Stock position is perfect for the ghost ring setup I have.

The grip transforms handling - much more adhesive in terms of hold. Softer rubber compound etc

Have considered chopping it down a little and adding muzzle brake. But, it functions perfectly as is and I have heard that shortening the barrel can reduce the amount of gas passing through the piston / speed of gas and adversely affect functioning. Not sure what to do.

To be honest, even fast double tapping is easy without the muzzle break.

[meles meles]

What's the difference betwixt the Vepr and Saiga 12 shotguns? Just the lack of wood ?

[snayperskaya]

Saiga12 based on AK receiver and built by Izhmash (now called Kalashnikov Concern) and Vepr12 is built by Molot and are based on a thicker (1.5mm rather than 1.0mm) RPK receiver.

[meles meles]

So, similar design, but beefier manufacture?

[snayperskaya]

Pretty much, I personally would take a Vepr over a Saiga.Its a shame we can't have the carbine length versions they have in the States.

[meles meles]

Any thoughts as to how it compares with the Bora 99?

[snayperskaya]

I would take either a Vepr or a Saiga over a Bora!......it would be like comparing a 1.8 Mondeo to a Rs Cosworth.A Vepr or Saiga are built to last a lifetime (Kalashnikov heritage remember) whereas a Bora is built as a low price semi auto and doesn't feel anywhere near as solid and robust.This isn't a criticism of the Bora, just that I believe you get what you pay for and I personally would pay more for a Vepr or Saiga in the knowledge it would take more use/abuse and keep coming back for more.

[breacher]

I have handled both. The Bora is a lot lighter and feels very plasticky in comparison.

The Vepr has a last round bolt hold open - not sure the Saiga has. And a release button right next to the trigger so makes reloads that little bit faster.

The Vepr has a self regulating gas system which they say is better than the Saiga.

The Vepr has an ambi safety where the Saiga does not.

The Vepr has been adopted by quite a few NATO forces where the Saiga has not been adopted by any.

Vepr has a traditional "mag straight in" magwell where the Saiga has a "rock and lock" similar to L1A1 or AK etc

And I have quite a few spare mags.................................