GSG .22LR MP5 why is it on and are you allowed to remove it?

[Rarms]

No barrel can be section 1 of it's ever at any point less than 300mm, every for five minutes.

Dont believe that is correct. It is a section 1 component unless it is assembled into a gun when less that 300mm at which point it would become section 5. If it is taken from a sec. 1 gun, it can be cut down etc.. by an RFD as it is undergoing repair/work etc.. until re-assembled.

So I take it the barrels on these guns cannot be screwcut due to the diameter of them and the only option would be a slip over mod held with grub screw?
Are there any other manufacturers that make a rimmy MP5 but of better quality?
I'm fancying one to be honest but would like better quality than the GSG/H&K/Umarex etc

Yes this can be done. Think it was a guy in the midlands did at least one. Think it was also for sale again recently on a forum. Perhaps even this one. Basically the barrel cut back to the foresight and a SAK mod welded on. Mod cover can still be removed from the front for cleaning and total is over 300mm as is permanently attached.

[BamBam]

No barrel can be section 1 of it's ever at any point less than 300mm, every for five minutes.

Dont believe that is correct. It is a section 1 component unless it is assembled into a gun when less that 300mm at which point it would become section 5. If it is taken from a sec. 1 gun, it can be cut down etc.. by an RFD as it is undergoing repair/work etc.. until re-assembled.

So I take it the barrels on these guns cannot be screwcut due to the diameter of them and the only option would be a slip over mod held with grub screw?
Are there any other manufacturers that make a rimmy MP5 but of better quality?
I'm fancying one to be honest but would like better quality than the GSG/H&K/Umarex etc

Yes this can be done. Think it was a guy in the midlands did at least one. Think it was also for sale again recently on a forum. Perhaps even this one. Basically the barrel cut back to the foresight and a SAK mod welded on. Mod cover can still be removed from the front for cleaning and total is over 300mm as is permanently attached.

Wouldn't take anyone commenting on the internets word for anything to do with this, considering a certain RFD got charged with offences for having various barrels under 300mm when not a sec 5 dealer.
The only safe legal way to do it is to use an unchambered barrel, cut to desired length, weld a permanent moderator and then chamber the barrel.

[Gazza]

So with the barrel at 16.25" as standard you could afford to nip off 4" and fit a removable mod and still be legal
With a bit of luck the 4" nip off will take the still legal barrel to near the foresight

Seems too easy really

[safetyfirst]

What bambam said. I've seen an rfd do some very odd things to keep a barrel over 300mm at all times when integrally suppressing a rifle.

[Rarms]

Wouldn't take anyone commenting on the internets word for anything to do with this, considering a certain RFD got charged with offences for having various barrels under 300mm when not a sec 5 dealer.
The only safe legal way to do it is to use an unchambered barrel, cut to desired length, weld a permanent moderator and then chamber the barrel.

There is a difference between having multiple sub 300mm barrels in posession and working on a Sec. 1 barrel which whilst being worked on is cut to less than 300mm for the purpose of the work being carried out.

If I drop my LBR/LBP, the brace gets bent or breaks and the length is now under 24". Goes straight to an RFD to get fixed. Broken Sec. 1 or Sec. 5?


EDIT:

It was on here that the example I was thinking of is for sale:

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=26007

I am sure I read about it first on a different forum, so either the chap has done more than one or its the same one

[BamBam]

If I drop my LBR/LBP, the brace gets bent or breaks and the length is now under 24". Goes straight to an RFD to get fixed. Broken Sec. 1 or Sec. 5?

Depends, in most cases it would get fixed and nothing said, but if the RFD phoned local firearms for advice on how to proceed they would confiscate it. I heard a story about this happening already for a broken LBP brace.

[Blackstuff]

So I take it the barrels on these guns cannot be screwcut due to the diameter of them and the only option would be a slip over mod held with grub screw?
Are there any other manufacturers that make a rimmy MP5 but of better quality?
I'm fancying one to be honest but would like better quality than the GSG/H&K/Umarex etc

As far as I'm aware there are only the GSG and Walther versions available. I've owned both and can say that the Walther version is by far the better gun in virtually all aspects. The only advantage the GSG has, which just happens to be the most pertinent to your thread, is that the GSG has a barrel thick enough to be screw cut to add a mod, its the Walther version that has the pencil barrel. However, the Walther version is more accurate than the GSG version despite this!

If you want to get a 22lr MP5 that 'looks right', simply get the Walther A4 version. Yes the pretend muzzle brake is bigger than the real one but you really don't notice it with the handling or appearance after having it a while.

[Dark Skies]

As Blackstuff says.

I had the pre H&K legal action version of the GSG and have to say I was quite disappointed with it. I'd get quite a few stoppages with cheaper (cost rather than quality) ammo. No problem - I mainly shoot CCI Minimags with my Southern Gun Co. V22 so it made sense to just stock up on that make. It was accurate enough - nowhere near Ruger 10/22 accurate but acceptable for plinking.

What disappointed me was the crap metal the castings seemed to be made of - it reminded me of a toy made in China. The sliding stock was fragile, the H&K-alike sights were poor. Overall it was a novelty - nothing I wanted to keep. I tried to live with it - I spent quite a bit of money on better quality parts from a specialist in the States that sold H&K items to fit on. I still ended up selling it on within a year of purchase. It was akin to the Armscor AK22 I had for a few months. Fun but soon wore off.

Apologies to peeps that love their GSG reps. It just didn't work for me. They may have improved somewhat. I had one of the first when they were 'a thing'.

[TattooedGun]

This comes up often.

Have a read:

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.ph ... own+Barrel

TLDR: Any chambered barrel that gets cut down below 12" becomes Section 5. Once Section 5, always Section 5.

You can only realistically cut down an un-chambered blank and weld something on it to make up the length, and THEN chamber the barrel to take the round (at which point it becomes licensable).

Cutting down an existing barrel runs the risk of having to prove the work was done in a specific order if it ever comes up.

You'd have to find an RFD who doesn't know this stipulation, or is willing to risk their business on it to do it for you (or find someone to do it for you with machining skills, if they're also ignorant of the law surrounding this).

As Said it comes down to risk. With the police ever tightening the grip on law abiding shooters, would you really want to risk losing your license and a possible mandatory min. 5 year sentence over having a pretty short barrel by taking shortcuts?

My 2c.

[Blackstuff]

Everythings an opinion until the police are at your door and you're then in court! I got this opinion from the Home Office firearms section when I couldn't get Southern Gun Co to transport my LRA9 from my polices armoury back to them (due to the cost of transporting S5 firearms );



The letter indicates that the parts of the gun are not Section 5 in of themselves but if all components are present together, even if separated then the person in possession would need Section 5 authority. Given this opinion and reading the relevant legislation i.e. the Firearms Act 1968, its my opinion that there is no such thing as a Section 5 component, and it is only complete firearms (as in all of the parts in one place, not necessarily assembled) that require S5 authority. I'm not sure where this chambering thing has come from, presumably a court case relating to the definition of a barrel?

I know for a fact that until very recently Mossberg 500/590 barrels have shrouds put on them after they are chambered to bring them up to the 24" minimum (they are now offered in true 24" barrel form). I also know of at least 4 Saiga shotguns whose chambered barrels were removed from the guns and sent away to be chopped down and have very large muzzle brakes put on and its only with the muzzle brakes attached that they meet the 24" minimum. I don't know if its different for rifled barrels but personally I wouldn't lose sleep having a barrel of one of my rifles or shotguns chopped down and getting a permanent brake/sound moderator fitted.

When my SGC LRA9 was discovered to be Section 5, the police knew I'd had it in my possession for several days and had transported it all over the place. I'm yet to be charged with being in possession of the S5 rifle....