First Generation P-H Enfields identification?

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#1 Post by **dromia** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:28 am

Any one know the cut off serial number for the Parker Hale series of M/L Enfields?

The rule of thumb I've heard of to date has been 4,000 but what does that actually mean when identifying original P-Hs before theye were made and partly made in Italy?

Is serial number 4,000 a first generation and serial number 4,001 second generation?

Any other pointers to first generation originality?

I've trawled through David Minshalls site alot as he has been collecting PH serials but cannot find a definative answer, perhaps there isn't one.

Could you help David?

#2 Post by **ResearchPress** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:09 am

I've got no definitive answers, but the "Made in England" Parker-Hales I think go up to around 15,000. A number in the 4000s is dated from the mid-1970s. I'm not sure where the "Assembled in USA" Parker-Hales seem to start, I don't have enough information yet. The Italian Parker-Hales seem to have serial numbers in the 30,000s, but possibly as low as 25,0000.

On the British proofed barrels there's a tiny date code on the underside with the proof information. Two letters and a number in a circle or between crossed swords. If I know this I can identify the year the barrel was proofed.

David

#3 Post by **dromia** » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:29 am

Many thanks David.

#4 Post by **dromia** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:14 pm

Hi David, I've just got my Hands on PH .451" Volunteer.

Serial Number H812.

Underside of barrel proof marks crossed swords, horizontal quarters - left hand "L" - right hand could be either "C", "G" or an "O", I would go for a "G" but not really clear even with a magnifying glass. Bottom quarter "1".

Can you make anything of these marks and serial number for me?

#5 Post by **ResearchPress** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:42 am

I think this is LC1 and would date the barrel as being proofed in 1985.

Can you confirm that this has a 36" barrel (it sits in a batch of these by serial number). Rifling should be Henry.

Regards,

David

#6 Post by **dromia** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:46 am

Yes it has a 36" barrel, not sure on the rifling, looked a bit shallow to me.

Its PH in front of the serial number the P is very lightly struck.

saddler · #7 Post by **saddler** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:41 pm

:goodjob: :cheers: party2

Having read several of the excellent postings by Research Press on the web, well done on finding one of these Adam!

I did have leads on a couple, but as happens, by the time I had sorted out a variation for .451 they had vanished to other happy homes

Apart from the lack of 3-band .451's, I seem to be stuck in a quandary - hold out for a repro Whitworth or look for a Henry?
...no rush though, time will turn something up when I'm meant to have it....

#8 Post by **dromia** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:50 am

Thanks Jon.

Now I know you are after one I'll keep my eyes open for you.

PM an idea of how much you are wanting to spend.

Prices a creeping up on these, the last one I saw at a recent auction was nigh on £450 out the door. :shock:

#9 Post by **ResearchPress** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:02 am

Pete Starley at http://www.black-powder.co.uk/bp.htm has several .451s in his stock list linked at the bottom of the page. He's at Warwick.

David

#10 Post by **Woodshot** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:01 pm

Hi David,
I have a 2 Band Enfield with the following markings on the underside; EB 5, then what appears to be a crown with BP underneath, are you able to give any assistance with this one.
Thanks,
Jim

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