Incorrect info on .gov website

[PeterN]

As I understand it, a blank round is not a controlled item. A primed case is nothing more than a blank round.
Regards
Peter.

[IainWR]

Another one to day - Some chap arguing that a primed case is counted as loaded ammunition and must be counted in your total permitted possessed.

If I remember correctly, that particular quirk comes from a case a long time ago when someone was convicted for carrying a loaded revolver in public. The gun was loaded with primed cases.

You are definitely broadly correct; there is a court case (sorry, can't find the reference) in which a decision constituting a precedent was made that primed cases are "ammunition". Interested to hear the detail of the circumstance, which sounds as though the extent of the applicability of the precedent could be open to challenge.

[1066]

Definition of ‘ammunition’
2.11 ‘Ammunition’ means ammunition for any firearm and includes grenades, bombs and other like missiles, whether capable of use with a firearm or not; and also includes prohibited ammunition. It should be noted that the definition of ammunition does not include ingredients and components of ammunition; it is only assembled ammunition that is controlled under the Act, not component parts. Empty cartridge cases, for example, are not ‘ammunition’. There are two exceptions to this. The first is missiles for ammunition prohibited under section 5 of the 1968 Act, for example, expanding ammunition which can only be used in a pistol, or armour-piercing bullets. Such missiles are themselves defined as ‘ammunition’ and are subject to control accordingly (see Chapter 3). The second is primers - section 35 of the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 introduced controls on the purchase and sale of a cap type primer designed for use in metallic ammunition (see Chapter 5).

Assembled ammunition comprises of Case, primer, powder and bullet.

[davidh195]

Another one to day - Some chap arguing that a primed case is counted as loaded ammunition and must be counted in your total permitted possessed.

If I remember correctly, that particular quirk comes from a case a long time ago when someone was convicted for carrying a loaded revolver in public. The gun was loaded with primed cases.

You are definitely broadly correct; there is a court case (sorry, can't find the reference) in which a decision constituting a precedent was made that primed cases are "ammunition". Interested to hear the detail of the circumstance, which sounds as though the extent of the applicability of the precedent could be open to challenge.

There was a case of a woman walking around a supermarket with a handgun loaded with primed cases it was concealed I Believe.

David

[Sky888]

The MET also asked license holders to keep fired cases for evidential identification should a firearm be stolen and used in crime. These letters were sent out a few years ago and still go out today with new copies of certificates.

[dromia]

We are not license holders we are certificate holders.

[Pete]

Maybe the primer anvil could be ejected if a primed case was fired, in which event it could be construed as a "live round"........I certainly wouldn't like to be hit in the eye by one...

Pete

[Graham M]

Maybe the primer anvil could be ejected if a primed case was fired, in which event it could be construed as a "live round"........I certainly wouldn't like to be hit in the eye by one...

Pete

But the hole in the case head in front of the anvil is surely smaller then the anvil itself

[Pete]

A lead styphnate primer releases quite a bit of energy when it goes off......who knows what could happen if the anvil broke up?
I'd say there's every possibility of a tiny fragment going through the hole.

Pete

[1066]

A lead styphnate primer releases quite a bit of energy when it goes off......who knows what could happen if the anvil broke up?
I'd say there's every possibility of a tiny fragment going through the hole.

Pete

But not regulations on blank rounds that also have a primer and a charge?