low mill 1911

[joe]

anyone got one ? are they really any good ? i have heard they are made in the philippines and are considered the low end of 1911's in the rest of the free world! they seem well put togather at the bisley show

[Sixshot6]

anyone got one ? are they really any good ? i have heard they are made in the philippines and are considered the low end of 1911's in the rest of the free world! they seem well put togather at the bisley show

The Philippines are actually thought of as making good 1911's. I mean Springfield Armory Rock Island Armory sells them in the US and they are well thought of, even Springfield Armory uses some foreign 1911's, Brazilian to be exact.

[safetyfirst]

I was going to ask this question too. I was under the impression the GSG's had got better as well, have the low mill guns come down in price?

[Sixshot6]

I was going to ask this question too. I was under the impression the GSG's had got better as well, have the low mill guns come down in price?

I don't believe the Low mill's have gone down in price. I do know that after the panic buying in the US in 2013-14 they are supposed to be making more parts in house (I think just the general frames are coming from Ivor Johnson now?), whether that brought the price down I can't say.

Edit: I think the barrels are now being sourced from Europe.

[Sim G]

Believe the Ivor Johnson are steel frames and slides where the GSG is ally aloy. Last round hold open is not included on the IJ.

The Ivor Johnson name is synonymous with the budget end revolvers. But the LBP is about 1200 quid is it not?

[Sixshot6]

Believe the Ivor Johnson are steel frames and slides where the GSG is ally aloy. Last round hold open is not included on the IJ.

The Ivor Johnson name is synonymous with the budget end revolvers. But the LBP is about 1200 quid is it not?

It's a new company, not the Ivor Johnson of old, Someone bought the name is using to make quite good products from I've heard. It's like trying to equate the new Redfield with the bad period when it was held by a different company.

[safetyfirst]

They make a big show of the steel frames the old gsg had an awful frame, looked worn after 500 rounds, I'm told the new ones are made of sterner stuff. Last round hold open is a pretty important function for a pistol I'd have thought...

[joe]

Believe the Ivor Johnson are steel frames and slides where the GSG is ally aloy. Last round hold open is not included on the IJ.

The Ivor Johnson name is synonymous with the budget end revolvers. But the LBP is about 1200 quid is it not?

that is correct and one mag ! however they told me that the alloy slide is not pot metal but a proper ally aloy but coundnt tell what exactly is the alloy ! on the display gun, the paint look worn!

[Sim G]

It's a new company, not the Ivor Johnson of old, Someone bought the name is using to make quite good products from I've heard. It's like trying to equate the new Redfield with the bad period when it was held by a different company.

Just had a wee look at the company and read a couple of reviews in the US gun press of their full bore pistols. Iver Johnson seem still to be servicing the "budget" end of the market.

Pistols are made by SAM of the Philipines and their shotguns made by Akkar of Turkey. The ..22 conversion unit that is a cast alluminium slide, mated with a cast steel frame. No mention of the barrels, but I'd again reckon Phillipines. The conversion unit, slide barrel and one mag, standard, retails for $270.

The magazines are available from Iver Johnson and are 45 dollars each..... But, their 15 round capacity so will need export paperwork!

1200 quid you say? Buy a GSG, shoot it to death, then buy another. You'd still have a couple of hundred quid saved which should get you around 3000 rounds with which to feed the GSGs...

[ordnance]

Believe the Ivor Johnson are steel frames and slides where the GSG is ally aloy. Last round hold open is not included on the IJ.

The Ivor Johnson name is synonymous with the budget end revolvers. But the LBP is about 1200 quid is it not?

that is correct and one mag ! however they told me that the alloy slide is not pot metal but a proper ally aloy but coundnt tell what exactly is the alloy ! on the display gun, the paint look worn!

Some folks in the shooting community dismissively refer to die cast zinc as “pot metal.” These “Zincophobes” won’t touch a zinc alloy gun with a 100-foot pole. Because the .22LR can only generate a small amount of force to push the slide rearward, it is obvious that the slide on a .22 caliber 1911 clone needs to be extremely light weight. That’s why Ruger Mark II’s and other steel .22s don’t have a slide like a typical centerfire semi-auto pistol.

But if you want to replicate a modern semi-auto pistol gun featuring a full-sized, reciprocating slide, you can’t use heavy steel unless you mill out a bunch of expensive lightening cuts. Even then, reliability will be iffy. Thus in the GSG 1911, the need for a lightweight slide means that the only three possible metal alloys they could use are aluminum, titanium, or a zinc alloy. Figure cost into the mix and zinc alloy becomes the natural choice: GSG wanted to hit a price point in that $350 range and that necessitates the use of zinc.