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Before I result to rolling my own, does anyone know of a commercial supplier of this?

I'm sure our resident Ruskie will be along shortly, but I would think it will be likes hens teeth in this country.

Rusmilitary can supply, "By special order only with a minimum of 3000 rounds supplied to the military and government security services ONLY (!)"

I think you'll be hand-rolling...

Virtually zero chance, the Russians only produced it for use in the AKM and AKMS when used with the PBS suppressor and its use dropped off when the 9x39 fully-suppressed VSS Vintorez and AS Val were introduced in around 1987.

The Russian military 7.62x39 subsonic round used a 192-ish grain bullet which had a slightly wider diameter at 7.94mm than the standard 7.92mm 123 grain bullet so it gripped the rifling better.The subsonic ammo is identified by a black tip over a green band.

You need to re load.

snayperskaya wrote:...The subsonic ammo is identified by a black tip over a green band.

Ah! That explains one of the funny looking rounds I picked out of a bunch of regular milsurp. I also have one that has a round nosed bullet that is entirely black - any clues what that might be?

Thanks all. I have an AKMS with PBS1 coming to me and making it nice and quiet will be a fun experiment. There are various recipes around and some of them seem to involve seating the bullet backwards in the case to lower case volume.

I'll have a play!

I'm not an expert reloaded and this will be by far the most exotic thing I've done with a press.

Any advice or safety considerations would be most welcome.

Most important thing when you start is make sure the bullet has cleared the barrel each time, a visual check or a cleaning rod down the barrel is the only way to be 100% confident.

Does anyone have a recipe for this round which would allow it to comply with normal indoor/gallery range MV/ME restrictions?

Blackstuff wrote:Does anyone have a recipe for this round which would allow it to comply with normal indoor/gallery range MV/ME restrictions?

I use 6gr Red Dot powder + 140gr lead gas checked bullet, gives you the equivalent to .44 spl ME.

Dark Skies wrote:

snayperskaya wrote:...The subsonic ammo is identified by a black tip over a green band.

Ah! That explains one of the funny looking rounds I picked out of a bunch of regular milsurp. I also have one that has a round nosed bullet that is entirely black - any clues what that might be?

East German (DDR) short range light ball, designation was "Patrone M43 UB".....the "Ub" denoted short range.

If it had a pointed black bullet in a copper-washed case it would be a Russian high pressure proof round.

It's worth noting that PBS equipped AKM's were fitted with a special rear sight that could be calibrated for standard ball rounds and subsonic......